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Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 284985)

Greg don’t talk if you don’t know what you are talking about.
How do you know what has been done to these new motors. If you and Andrew believe everything I say about these motors you are both fools.
Jimmy’s combo and mine have good race pistons and rings just like your combo. Good stocker cams from comp cams, countless hours on a dyno with The BEST tuner in the county, Good race springs, professional race prepped transmissions and some of the best race parts money can buy.
Where do you get you info that these motors have ZERO drag racing development done. Truth be told this combo has more race development in it then your car will ever have.

Andrew your combo is soft.

325hp vs 325hp
350ci vs 302ci
acid ported head vs NON cic ported heads
acid ported intake vs stock plastic intake

But so is the 302 CJ

You forgot
2 valves vs. 4 valves
heads from 1970 vs. new 2012 aluminum heads
11:1 compression vs. 12.5:1
pushrod motor vs. dual overhead cams
I guarantee that stock plastic intake and throttle body flows more air than my old Holly carburetor and 40 year old intake.

Also, how the hell do you know what's been done to my heads and intake?

You think that your motor or the 302 has had more done to it than mine? Go give one to Parsons and Myers and we will see how much horsepower it can make. I bet it's a hell of a lot more than it's making now.

With the rate Ronzello was gaining on my by the 1/8th, I figured it was probably going to go 127 mph or so. With a good converter alone (Jimmy said it needed one), I would have been toast.

Even if the motor in the 5.0 CJ is more similar to the GT than the Boss (plus 1.5 more points of compression of course), it's rated 87 hp less!

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

I agree with you RJ, I think the new cars are great and I'd have a CJ in a heartbeat if I could but NHRA needs to give them their own class (call it A/FX, B/FX, etc.). It appears Div.1 is trying something at the Dutch but I don't hear much about it. Last I checked there was only 4 or 5 CJ & DP's signed up. It appears to be a pre-entry only type deal.

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Originally Posted by R J Sledge (Post 285025)

Jody

Yeah, I had a car like that once.....showroom stock 390 Mustang, 3.25 R/E with equa-loc, It was a dog, ran some 15.50 at Carlsbad Raceway in California in late 1966. I realize not all the 5.0's cars have the same performance, just like my 15.50 390 Mustang. All I am saying is what he told me, he could have had a air box (what the hell if that?), I looked under his hood and it all looked original to me.

What I am saying is this, the 5.0 is a 10.50 and better car running D/S or D/SA at 3220 lbs with about 10 or 12 items changed, gears, headers camshafts, springs, suspension mods for Stock Elim, transmission and convertor/clutch and take out 400 to 500 lbs . You don't need to go any deeper into the engine than the cams and springs, etc. and you could have a car that will out run 98% of the Stock D/S and D/SA cars out there. They have a cast type piston in the 2011 factory version and 11-1 compression, smaller camshaft and Ford rates that motor at 412, while the NHRA version rated at 325 hp has 12.5-1 compression and quite a bit more lift and any valve spring. In other words, they will make an honest 550 hp with just simple add ons and that adds up to 10.50's or better running D at 3220.

I am a Ford person, but these New cars that are so underrated is pure BS, and I am talking about all makes and models. This is the problem with Stock as the majority see it, and if it contiunes it will spell the end for a lot of competitors. You would think that NHRA realizes it and does not see it as a problem.

RJ

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

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Originally Posted by troublemaker427 (Post 285030)

Most likely they are afraid of an equal heads up race and/or showing their true potential. They would rather beat up on the older over rated cars. LOL

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

Charley, not to pick on you, but look what good engine builders do with all these new cars. Barton going 9.60's in A at Indy and Keith Lynch and David's 5.7 hemi has had over 100 hp added to it and it was still far and away the fastest A car at Columbus. You don't think Jim Kuntz could have that 5.0 Mustang of Jimmy's running 10.0's or even 9's. There's been enough history already to see how this all plays out.

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

Your right Greg and Andrew
Holbrook who has worked on prostockers has no clue what he is doing.
I forgot Parson and Myers is the only engine bulid that can make HP.

Looking forword to racing you next year with our new 2013 CJ 302ci in D/SA and this one has the Boss intake.

You guys really think the red car Jimmy drove last week can't run low 10's has it sets?

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Oh, they know it can Charley, I think that is there point. When the wrenches get turned on this combo it will out run most cars from A to D!!

Boy I'm glad I quit this !

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

Pro Stock is not same! How many NHRA races did he win? IHRA is a lot easier than the 500 CID. Don't knock the old line Engine Builder's they paid their dues! Unlike Charile Boob!

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 285124)

Pro Stock is not same! How many NHRA races did he win? IHRA is a lot easier than the 500 CID. Don't knock the old line Engine Builder's they paid their dues! Unlike Charile Boob!

Shouldn't you be called Bowtie Ralph? When was the last time you had a car capable of being a number one qualifier? I don't think Charlie was saying that Parson and Myers are bad engine builders but there are others out there that are good also. At least Chartlie is out there racing and putting his money where his mouth is.

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Spoken like a ture no name key board racer ralph.
I never said Parson and Myers were not one of the best in the game. Greg and Andrew just were beating up on my eng builder.

Your right ralph have been racing in Stock for over 10 years and going to racers for over 20 but I still have not paid my dues. But yet I never see your name on the sheets?

Chuck D still racing on line and on the track.

Re: 2012 Boss 302 in NHRA Stock Eliminator

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 285086)

Charley, you just made my point.