What is it about guys names ED anyway....?

Count the tree - YOU BET. and if you are a musician, you are gonna get damned good. PERIOD.

If you are tone deaf, counting may not be for you...

Still no match for the Junk that they are trying so very hart to foise off on the entire field. Why on earth can't bracket racers be bracket racers and stock eliminator racers be stock eliminator racers? Like the old thing in Psych 101 regarding the low self esteem of women and saying it was due to penis envy... Do class racers envy bracket racers so much that they have to devise pseudo delay devices (or should I say penises) to feel up to the task.

I'm almost sorry we left bracket racing and entered into the field of "skilled" racing only to find out it is being compromised and is rapidly becomming what we tried to hard to escape. Born too late I guess - or is that "re-born" too late.

Yeah, come back at me with the good will always be good and the "you're just jealous" of those who are better than you. Well, that may be fairly, though not completely, accurate. Question is WHO IS USING WHAT ? AND DO YOU KNOW BEYOND A DOUBT THAT THE ANSWER YOU GIVE IS 100 PERCENT true.

I guess we will keep doing this as long as we can find a way to have fun. I imagine that setting records will have to be our outlet for the time being. That is until we decide to sell the stocker and just go to the cabin and relax.

Peace, Rev. Mopar (David Koopman)

Robert, they will never get it. Its just not worth trying to teach them anything.

tgriffith, if I knew what the F*** you where trying to say, I might be able to give you an answer. Lets start with spelling, then try to write (not rite) in a form of english we all could understand.

I think I am giving some of these racers to much credit when I call them stupid.

David, do everyone a favor and sell the stocker, the class has changed, like it or not.

Ed Brice

Thank you Koop. (what'd you say?)

Maybe it's time to ask Len or Jim to chime in. Unless you guys that have already talked to them know that their position is still "wait and see," from all of us.

I miss my '58 New Yorker and its 392 Hemi.......

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(they use a 1---2--go routine) You can't be serious.

Ed Brice

Ed

I think Tim is serious. To top it off, he has amd maybe still does at times have to use that method and I'd bet the farm he's won a ton more races than you.

"Do everyone a favor and sell your stocker" Indeed. My opinions make me a liability to the class, is that it? OR is it because they may differ from your own? What's your beef with me. My comment about folks named Ed on this forum has more to do with language and intolerance than validity of their opinion.

I don't short sell what you say, I simply disagree with it. Yeah the sport is changing. What tripe, that's the non thinker speaking. As the sport evolves does it have to evolve a certain way? Electronics is going to be, in my opinion, the death knell for Stock and Super Stock as it will grow to be as interesting to watch as bracket racing. NHRA knows this I fear, and it would be a good means by which to eliminate this format from National Events as interest would wane. Look in the stands during a bracket race. Although they empty pretty well during Sportsman eliminations at National Events, there are far more who watch than do a Bracket race.

Exploring ways to improve and enhance class racing (not enhance like the added fees for all events), discussing in open forum the various nuances of proposed changes, new ideas, and new trends is not a bad thing. To disagree doesn't mean someone doesn't get it - it just means they disagree.

Peace, Rev. Mopar

At Ohio Valley the top bulb is staggered in every class that is not a delay class. I never knew it until someone told me last week. This makes leaving off the top bulb impossible. This is something that should be done at every NHRA race for classes that are not allowed a delay box. it's one more thing that can prevent cheating. Personally I think stock should be a footbrake class with two steps only legal for stick cars. I don't race in Super Stock but anyone that think's adjustable buttons are not a dleay device are not being honest with themselves. That's the reason they are adjustable . A lot of my friends thqt race Super Stock use these buttons and I don't blame them, they are legal, however whether they should be legal or not is another matter.


Greg

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Ed Brice

I have to agree with Ed. You can vary the top bulb 2 to 3 hundredths either way and not "notice it" but it be enough to make anyone who IS leaving off the top bulb inconsistent (inconsistent enough not to win races anyway).

Mike, back when they did it last time, it was a varying tenth either way and that's why it was SO noticeable.

Tim, you do it this way and there it will not effect the people that count the tree.

Mike, as far as people leaving off the bottom bulb with adjustment, who cares. They are still leaving off the bottom bulb and EVERYONE has adjsutment, weather it is in your valvebody, rpm, or whatever.

The wrong or cheating here are the people who are leaving off the top bulb, so let's get to the matter at hand and vary the top bulb slightly to get rid of that.

Mike, you are pretty smart with most things but you surprise me here with some of your thoughts.

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