Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 443959)

Well, you asked for it. Several of us, 6 years ago, warned everyone that the new expensive cars would have their combinations made obsolete every 2-3 years at best. All any factory has to do is draw up a new engine combination on paper and get NHRA to approve it with a nice new soft factor. They don't have to build the engines, they don't even have to sell new race cars with the engines in them. Which is exactly why they should be Factory Experimental cars and not Stock Eliminator cars. Because the factories are experimenting.

It has absolutely nothing to do with fuel injection, distributorless ignition, and computers. Those have been in Stock Eliminator for 20 years. No one cares about that. That is not what makes the new cars perform.

What they DO care about is over 0.600" lift roller cams, 1000+ CFM throttle bodies, tunnel ram intakes, and what amounts to CNC ported heads (they CNC port a head, pull a mold, and cast the new head). None of which have ever been in Stock Eliminator before, and very little of which, if any, is seen on production street cars. Again, these are Factory Experimental cars. These are near Super Stock engines running in Stock Eliminator, and many of them starting out factored at or below what the older cars are factored at, with the older car having half the horsepower potential.

It has everything to do with the factory race cars not even being close to the street legal new cars for sale.

You want to make this about selling new production cars? Fine. Race new production street cars. Let's see how it works. I'm all for it. By all means, bring on the new production street cars.

The fact is, we're racing cars and combinations that were sold and driven on the street, against cars and combinations that would never, and could never, be sold for street use. I don't have a problem racing an old 427 powered 69 Camaro against a 2014 Camaro with a Stock Eliminator prepared engine based on the engine that comes in it when you drive it off the showroom floor and buy license plates to drive on the street. What I do have a problem with is racing an old 427 powered 69 Camaro against a new 2014 Camaro with a built for racing engine, that is almost as radical as my 396/375 Super Stock engine, that cannot be sold in a new car to drive on the street. Especially when it is factored almost the same as our old Camaro.

Now, not only do the factory race cars get soft factors and get to run in Stock Eliminator, they now get their own set of rules, and an AHFS waiver, so they can qualify as far under the index as they want with no penalty, while the older cars get none of the above.

Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 443941)

I'm like a lot of people my age or older that have raced for a lot of years. I'm just about done. If it wasn't for my son Andrew I would be done. I sold my car about a month ago, and I will mainly be Andrew's crew chief from now on. Because I have his car in Louisville and he's in Michigan I will probably race his car a few times a year, mainly at combos and one or two opens. I hope this lasts for a few more years for Andrew because he dearly loves it. I wasn't trying to start an argument with this thread but to point out how NHRA and the factories could have integrated the new cars into the sport without hurting people who have supported them for 30 or 40 years. To favor one group over another by an organization that's supposed to provide a level playing field is what really bothers me.

Originally Posted by FED 387 (Post 443931)

I don't have a gun in the Stock fight but we ran a car in SS for about a year as a SS/BS. When the "factory" SS cars started to show up we decided to not participate in SS.--SO if the factory comes up with a double turbo full out hi compression hi lift camshaft you get the idea "slightly detuned" balls out motor with a hokey HP rating and accepted by NHRA tech as an EXTREMELY limited run factory produced vehicle it's legal---how do you compete with this --YOU CANT unless ya got one yourself--- I think part of the problem here is that you have multiple cubic inch engines in multiple year cars all with the latest hi tech engineering available and supersceded parts weekly with ONE intention ----TO WIN all within the current rules allowed by the association--if they want to run "Stock" they can they are not doing anything illegal but its sorta like a SS car running a Stocker--- the only way to stop this is to either have their own eliminator class much like SS/AH or to factor them correctly--it just aint fair---look what Larry Hill did--- he made them(NHRA tech) look stupid--- he took a V6 pick up truck DIME ROCKET with a blueprinted motor and totally annihilated the index--- so much for the AFHS ---hows that NHRA hp factoring working for you now--- another one shot wonder just blew your AFHS theory out of the water---my 2 cents FED

Originally Posted by treekiller (Post 443973)

the old car guys are too stubborn to get with the times and understand .

Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf (Post 443944)

So it's buy a "new" car or quit then. That seems to be the message from NHRA as well. Nice