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Lenny5160 05-09-2017 11:40 AM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcadreau1 (Post 534331)
Why would he get DQ'ed? It was an error by someone in the tower and he did not intentionally dial over the index. If that scenario would have occurred then his opponent would then have an argument for a rerun. I'm guessing his opponent was aware of the incorrect dial giving his late reaction time and being well above his dial or maybe just caught off guard with Jim leaving first. What happens if Hildago redlighted and they DQ'ed Jim for staging with a dial above the index even though it was an error by the tower? Then you have the possibility of both drivers being eliminated and a round 4 bye to the next opponent.
An argument could be made that he would be DQ'd by staging on an 'illegal' dial-in. Even though it was a mistake in the tower, it is ultimately the racer's responsibility to ensure the dial-in is correct.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that, but I'm guessing that would have been the result had Jim managed to win that round.

If Hidalgo had been red, it wouldn't have mattered and he would have been reinstated following the opponent's DQ.

Mark Yacavone 05-09-2017 11:47 AM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenny5160 (Post 534334)
An argument could be made that he would be DQ'd by staging on an 'illegal' dial-in. Even though it was a mistake in the tower, it is ultimately the racer's responsibility to ensure the dial-in is correct.

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Yes, you could make that argument.
On the other hand, NHRA says , if you stage on it, you own it. (period)
Can't have it both ways.

HR9121 05-09-2017 12:14 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcadreau1 (Post 534331)
Why would he get DQ'ed? It was an error by someone in the tower and he did not intentionally dial over the index. If that scenario would have occurred then his opponent would then have an argument for a rerun. I'm guessing his opponent was aware of the incorrect dial giving his late reaction time and being well above his dial or maybe just caught off guard with Jim leaving first. What happens if Hildago redlighted and they DQ'ed Jim for staging with a dial above the index even though it was an error by the tower? Then you have the possibility of both drivers being eliminated and a round 4 bye to the next opponent.
Someone else already explained it very well, it doesn't matter that someone entered it incorrectly it is ultimately the racer's responsibility to ensure their dial is correct before they stage.

jcadreau1 05-09-2017 12:29 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 534336)
Someone else already explained it very well, it doesn't matter that someone entered it incorrectly it is ultimately the racer's responsibility to ensure their dial is correct before they stage.

Agreed.. Just a lot of what if situations that could have been avoided if the tower and Jim had been paying attention.

Hacksaw 05-09-2017 02:16 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
May the driver be aware. period .

Lenny5160 05-09-2017 03:15 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 534335)
Yes, you could make that argument.
On the other hand, NHRA says , if you stage on it, you own it. (period)
Can't have it both ways.
What are the 'both ways' here? Seems consistent to me. If you stage on it, you own it, period.

Maybe the incorrect dial is allowed by the rules and maybe it isn't. In either case, if you stage on it, you own it.

Bob Mulry 05-09-2017 04:08 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
What ever happened to "First or Worst"........

When a car stages with an over the index dial in it is the "first" DQ.....

End of story.....

Adub464Q 05-09-2017 04:09 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
I think this has been brought up before, but could someone explicitly state where in the rules it says you have to dial under your index? I looked for a little bit and couldn't find it, but I very well could be missing something.

Lenny5160 05-09-2017 04:35 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Mulry (Post 534353)
What ever happened to "First or Worst"........

When a car stages with an over the index dial in it is the "first" DQ.....

End of story.....
'First' only applies if the infractions are of equal severity. If your opponent red-lights but 8 seconds later you hit the wall, you will be DQ'd for having the worse infraction.

I'm not sure where 'dial-in over index' would fall on the hierarchy of infractions; just pointing out that your 'end of story' statement because it is first would not be accurate.

Lenny5160 05-09-2017 04:38 PM
Re: Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adub464Q (Post 534354)
I think this has been brought up before, but could someone explicitly state where in the rules it says you have to dial under your index? I looked for a little bit and couldn't find it, but I very well could be missing something.
Austin,

I think the 'Dialing Under The Index' section of Race Procedures, Section 2, Page 5 would cover it:

DIALING UNDER THE INDEX
Contestants in Super Stock and Stock have the option of dialing under
their class’ assigned index. It is the responsibility of each contestant to
place the selected time on the windshield and tower-side window prior
to each round of competition. Dial-unders may be changed between
rounds, including a rerun situation. All contestants not choosing to dial
under will automatically be handicapped on the basis of their assigned
class index. In cases where two cars of the same class are paired, the
race is conducted on a heads-up basis, regardless of any dialing under
considerations, and breakout rulings do not apply.

So, by the rule, you can dial whatever you like but you SHOULD be automatically capped at the class index. Interesting can of worms with this run, for sure.


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