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Mike Pearson 07-27-2018 11:16 AM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
It does seem difficult to get HP reductions for the older combos. In my particular case my car is a 327 rated at 295 hp. in SS. Some of the other cars in the class are fuel injected 350 cars that are less HP than my old car. Granted I don't have a good enough car to be a real threat to win class or qualify at Indy but it would be nice if the playing field was a bit more even. Then some good driving and a bit of luck lightning can strike. I really have no complaints.
I actually think lowering the trigger for automatic HP might work better but I doubt we will see anything like that happening any time soon.

HR9121 07-27-2018 11:31 AM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 568488)
I wish they would raise the hit from 1.20 in mineshaft conditions.
I'm with you there Gump, there's a difference between going 1.20 under at Gainesville than it is at Atlanta. While we're getting a wish list together if you go 1.20 under its automatic tear down.

Dan Fahey 07-27-2018 11:55 AM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
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Originally Posted by stock1080 (Post 568483)
If you have noticed at all the stock and super stock races. The ages of the people in the staging lanes are not getting any younger. Since Stock and Super stock is now just bracket racing, except for the few heads up at times. Why do you think that the local racers at all the tracks we are "guest" at don't want to build "class cars"? I think it's because of the cost of going "fast". If we had more "players" maybe the payouts and the Decal monies would be more. The whole system is broken. NHRA adds HP to a combo that goes to fast? WHAT? With no teardown! I say raise the trigger. Teardown for the combo that does go over. For racers that want to go fast, go! For people that don't want to spend the monies or don't have the time to test can still race. More racers, more entry fee, more pay out. Thanks for listening,

Few young people have the time, money or resources to do an essentially frame up restoration to be competitive.

When the next generation passes away....
NHRA is going to have to think about what defines Stock and SS.
Sure they are already doing that.

D

Jon Sarrett 07-27-2018 12:06 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MEXJOE (Post 568496)
I like, 1.20 under mandatory Tear-down and IF found to be within the rules. Then give the HP.
Yes! This should be a standard.

James Perrone 07-27-2018 01:43 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Mandatory tear down for 120 under cars only
I’m a little late to class racing. Be doing it 15 years
How about if you a 1 second I Under they randomly look at the car?
Not gonna happen. Divisional s and National Events.
No time to do it Nhra ain’t doing it. No time or help
Remember they lowered indexes 3 tenths about 12 years
What did that prove? There were a lot of fast cars still going 1 second under still
So reducing index. Don’t work. Us racers will still go fast
Indy is the only place to make system work.
If you go 120 under at INDY. You get Instant HP
Why is this a problem? It makes no sense to allow the BS to go on
If you can go this STUPID FAST At INDY
You NEED HP. Simple no more mulligans people
Stop with its INDY it’s ok. your combo is soft
Or your a good cheetah Flame on

Alan Roehrich 07-27-2018 02:04 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 568490)
I hope more real racers give feed back. Alan and Billy I'd be happy with doing either changing the index's or the AHFS. Alan I hope to make it to Bowling Green and Indy. Stop by and say hi if you go. Barry

Barry,
I hope to make it up to Bowling Green at least. I just bought a house after my divorce, haven't even moved in yet, and Kevin is building a new house and new shop, so we're busy, but we still have the addiction!

Alan Nyhus 07-27-2018 02:43 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MEXJOE (Post 568496)
I like, 1.20 under mandatory Tear-down and IF found to be within the rules. Then give the HP.
I agree. The 305 deal that happened last season is one example. -Al

Jim Wahl 07-27-2018 03:28 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 568426)
The indexes were lowered 3 tenths several years ago and it hurt the car counts. Some of the low budget guys parked their cars after that enhancement. I don't think lowering the indexes is a good idea. The smart move is for NHRA to better monitor the performance of the cars that consistently run at the top of the sheet and apply good sense in the factoring.
This is the best and most common sense answer to this question. We lost over 25% of our fields when this was done before. Guys and gals who run .10 have every right to come out and enjoy class racing. Lower the index and the gamers will continue to play games! Jim


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Jim Wahl 07-27-2018 03:33 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 568508)
Mandatory tear down for 120 under cars only
I’m a little late to class racing. Be doing it 15 years
How about if you a 1 second I Under they randomly look at the car?
Not gonna happen. Divisional s and National Events.
No time to do it Nhra ain’t doing it. No time or help
Remember they lowered indexes 3 tenths about 12 years
What did that prove? There were a lot of fast cars still going 1 second under still
So reducing index. Don’t work. Us racers will still go fast
Indy is the only place to make system work.
If you go 120 under at INDY. You get Instant HP
Why is this a problem? It makes no sense to allow the BS to go on
If you can go this STUPID FAST At INDY
You NEED HP. Simple no more mulligans people
Stop with its INDY it’s ok. your combo is soft
Or your a good cheetah Flame on
No flamin' coming from me Jimmy Boy! I'm getting a little worried. You and I used to take pot shots at each other... now we are agreeing more and more! What happened! Jim

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HR9121 07-27-2018 03:47 PM
Re: Wondering what stock racers think
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 568520)
No flamin' coming from me Jimmy Boy! I'm getting a little worried. You and I used to take pot shots at each other... now we are agreeing more and more! What happened! Jim

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I'm with y'all too, always think Perrone has good sense just doesn't have a filter!


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