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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 654306)

Well now, the way "I" see it, SS and Stock has turned from Eliminators in which the majority of Competitors were Innovators who took pride in doing their own combos and being judged by their winning against the competition, under the watchful eye of Tech, to being a bunch of hobby racers who just want to go fast and win no matter what. And Tech is rarely if ever an issue. How many modern SS/S racers build their own combos or even work on their own stuff? Why should they care if what they're racing is legal or not? Not much is being checked and "we" all know that "everybody's cheating anyway". Besides, it's the 21st century, if you get tossed in Tech, you can always sue the engine builder or NHRA.
How much Tech do you see at a bracket race?

You have some valid points. NHRA brought some of this upon themselves when they overruled tech inspectors that were doing their jobs, not punishing the violators and some of the freedoms they allowed to take place.

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 654209)

Since the inception of the Stock and Super Stock classes, the classes have been always considered a performance class. I believe that in the old Farmer and subsequent days, although not perfect, the adjustment system was fair.

How about heads-up runs? The current rule does not exempt heads-ups runs. The only exception is as follows: "No runs made during exempt events, National Opens, test and tune, time trials, 1/8th mile events or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review."

My hope is that this new rule does not create a hazard due to top end accidents when fast guys slam on their brakes trying to slow down their cars!

I think they should have added the same addendum that Comp has then which is "if limited to 1 qualifying run it is automatic mineshaft." That way a shortened event can not hurt if you have a one time fast run.

NHRA appears to be doing the right thing here. The AHFS is under constant pressure from all sides and for the most part it had been neutered by dollars and special interests. They say that the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Very tired of reading about "hard work and money spent on these cars" while the slow racers are a bunch of lazy folks who don't want to work on or spend money on their cars. This sport is meant to be open and fair to all racers and these simple rule changes have taken a good step in the right direction. Next, I would hope that NHRA considers and addresses Mr. Nees concerns.
George

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Originally Posted by gumple (Post 654313)

Step in the right direction? It turned a performance class into bracket racing! Yes, the sport is fair; if you cannot go race in Stock or Super Stock, there is Super Street, Super Gas and bracket racing.
Explain what do you mean by "special interests"?

There is a big difference between lazy folks and those that do not want to work on their cars. I can tell you that guys like Billy Ness, Mark Yacavone, Steve Wann, Barry Parker, Gary Parker and many others, although their cars are what is not considered high dollar, work hard on their combinations.

There will always be a disparity on what a racer spends and it is applicable to all classes, not only Stock or Super Stock. It is also based on the class and the car you want to run. The reality is that if you want to run in the higher classes, then you have to spend the money. If you want to be competitive, then follow Billy Ness, Mark and others on some cars that are competitive and nobody has built probably because they do not have the coolness of a Camaro or Mustang.

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Originally Posted by gumple (Post 654313)

Very tired of reading about "hard work and money spent on these cars" while the slow racers are a bunch of lazy folks who don't want to work on or spend money on their cars. This sport is meant to be open and fair to all racers

George, This sport IMO IS as fair as it's going to be, but lets be honest those who spend more time in the garage and at the track will be more successful in this sport. AND there's always someone who will outspend the other guys. The problem with the AHFS in part is due to the overlooked "performance enhanced" parts on the cars that are a true violation of rules. NHRA legal stocker engines should not cost this much money! Then, in most cases we wouldn't be running -1.5+ under the indexes.

Maybe someone can clear this up for me. When the first qualifying pass starts at Pomona in Stock Eliminator will they be using 660',1000' and 1/4 mile for their information for the new AHFS data?? Or will they still be using the old method and only using 660' 1000' if a review is needed??

Wow you guys are all a bunch of negitive Nancy's typing on your key boards like chicken little running around yelling the sky is falling. You all complain about the AHFS not working, when NHRA makes a change to make it work better to get underfactor combo's inline(which they created when they factor new cars) or they created with a stroke of a key board like the ford 302. which happened years ago and most of those combo's can still run -1.50 under. If it were not for Mike Graham the 302 would still be a -2.00 under combo. The change to the AHFS will only affect a very small percentage of the cars that race in stock. So all you Karen's can bash me now.

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Originally Posted by Tim Barrett (Post 654322)

How I interpreted it was the 660/1000ft would only come into play
in the case of a review. I think that is reasonable to make it harder
to sandbag the system.

In the past I thought the system worked ok, some cars got competitive again. Their are a few that got gifts without any runs, I wonder how that happened, the AHFS was in place.