Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 698071)

Jeff, an awful lot of us put out lives on the line and took years (drafted) out of our lives so people like you would have the freedoms that you obviously favor in return for your vote.
We will never agree, we are 180 degrees apart. I will not attempt to change your mind. However, I am able to express belief of voting. I am of the belief that a vote should be for the betterment of our country, state, town. A vote should NOT be self serving for one's own interest. Obama phones, who is going to give me the most welfare, who will pay my medical, etc. As a result, an unemployable crack addict with 10 kids will vote to get the most "out of" the government, instead of what is right. IMO it is dead wrong for this person to have the same vote as a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. Also the reason virtually all large cities with large minorities vote Democrat. Jeff, when we had our conversations a few years ago, I identified you as a different person. I will not be fooled again.

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 698083)

Gary, thanks for the conversations. I have always sided with whoever is in office that supports organized labor... always. I have never voted for many Republicans for that very reason. You guys all know that. Organized labor was me and my family's standard of living. I don't want it to go away. And it will if left in the wrong hands. And I need healthcare. My medicine last month was 50 grand (I infuse myself). If the preexisting conditions went away, how would I pay that? I could live on welfare, let the Government pick up the tabs on Medicaid, but my standard of living would drop to what most welfare people have... nothing. They just exist. You think any sane person would voluntarily vote for that? I don't complain on how you vote. I don't accuse you guys of voting wrong. But keep in mind we all have different circumstances. Everybody votes their heart and let the chips fall where they may.

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 698084)

So......... what you have just admitted to here is that it's all about you, your family and your lifestyle. Well THAT sounds awfully self-serving.

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 698087)

I wonder how your wife would feel about Biden if she had been in in the position of his then 11 year old daughter.

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 698085)

You forgot about the part if I voted for Trump my wife would cut my nuts off. There's always that part. LOL

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 698088)

I wish you could talk to her on her feeling about Trump.. she would set you straight in about 60 seconds. If she could get close enough, I'm not so sure she wouldn't take him out. Man, she hates that guy. She just can't believe our granddaughter has less rights than she did growing up. This Roe decision set her off. And the way Trump randomly spouts about women on the rag or calling a foe "horse faced" or homely, or ugly, and on and on.... She says he treats women like zeros. Just is not her view of Presidential.

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger (Post 698068)

Ok, I'll give you a couple and shut up. First one is Trumps record. Not him, his record. He tried his best to eliminate Unions. Was licking his chops and ask for a National Right to Work Bill that would eliminate Unions in a very short while.

Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 698074)

nice straw man, you really do not have a clue about what you are talking about. and trump had the immigration killed by the house/ And a billionare who made money in the hedge fund business is a communist.what are you drinking