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Jim Cimarolli 12-27-2024 09:52 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 707254)
Bob,
Through all the 60 years I've been racing I have always heard the Corvette ratings were higher on like combinations because of the Stock Exhaust manifolds and the Stock Pan configuration. For the life of me I can't see how a Exhaust Manifold difference in all classes that allow aftermarket headers is even a consideration for HP variations. Now a Stocker with a Stocker pan.. I can see that there could be a difference...In Super Stock and Super Stock GT where aftermarket pans are allowed I don't see any reason to add HP to "like" engine combinations. Is NHRA Tech going back to some wheelbase considerations like in the old days with Ford and Mopar??

The 65 Corvette 425 hp 396 is a perfect example. in 66 it was rated at 375 in the Chevelle with a bigger cam!

GTX JOHN 12-27-2024 10:02 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith (Post 707029)
DId you ask MR.Cvengos for a explanation?

Pat is on Christmas break.

But he is not the final arbitrator.

All adjustments are at NHRA discretion
and not guaranteed even if you meet all
criteria.

Dan Bennett 12-28-2024 03:17 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli (Post 707257)
The 65 Corvette 425 hp 396 is a perfect example. in 66 it was rated at 375 in the Chevelle with a bigger cam!


Yes, the manifolds were the official explanation but the word I always got was that the real reason was internal politics. There was a time when the suits decided that Corvettes would always have the highest HP outputs. I had 2 L78 Corvettes and one L78 Nova - never saw any difference whatsoever.

Sort of the same thing, but I remember a conversation with retired Chevrolet engineer Paul Pryor at Gainesville one year where I mentioned that the 70 Buick Stage 1 had the highest torque of any of the engines at 510 (the LS6 was 500). He immediately got a bit agitated about the games the different divisions were playing back then.

Mark Madison 12-28-2024 11:34 PM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett (Post 707286)
Yes, the manifolds were the official explanation but the word I always got was that the real reason was internal politics. There was a time when the suits decided that Corvettes would always have the highest HP outputs. I had 2 L78 Corvettes and one L78 Nova - never saw any difference whatsoever.

Sort of the same thing, but I remember a conversation with retired Chevrolet engineer Paul Pryor at Gainesville one year where I mentioned that the 70 Buick Stage 1 had the highest torque of any of the engines at 510 (the LS6 was 500). He immediately got a bit agitated about the games the different divisions were playing back then.

If manifolds are the issue for this combo and no one uses a stock manifold in stock eliminator with the exception of Gary Hampton, what?s the difference between the corvette and chevelle package?

GTX JOHN 12-29-2024 01:49 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
Different body and different wheelbase.

My 360 Aspen wagon(112WB) used to be 19 HP more than the
same 360 combo in a sedan(108WB). About 12/15 years ago.
289 vs 270 (Small lift cam 360)

Now they are finally the same HP(289) last number of years after I quit trying
to compete with them and installed a 318.

Larry Hill 12-29-2024 09:43 AM

Re: Merry Christmas from NHRA HP adjuster
 
With the AHFS if all of the criteria is met to receive horsepower the power is added. But if all of the criteria is met to receive a reduction in power it is up to the discretion of NHRA. How and why is that fair to the racers?
Maybe Uncle Al was correct “The Rule Book is just a suggestion manual.”


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