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treessavoy

12-16-2009 08:57 PM

Re: Black Tuesday?

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Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 157125)

Hi Mark, Although we had frequent S/SS races out on Long Island in the seventies, 90% of the time I bracket raced. Hampton raced until the Sunday before Christmas and reopened the Saturday after New Years Day. National would start the Tuesday night racing near the end of Jan and run until the end of Nov. . I raced every Tues, Sat and Sun with rare exception, close to 48 weeks a year, it was my life and nothing else mattered, honest. Back then I would think nothing of getting home from the track saturday eve and stay up all night just to try another motor, get to the track the next morning and start it there for the first time. My friends would go out partying on Fri night and I would be in the driveway changing the cam or heads just to see what I could gain. My mother couldn't believe I left the house one rainy Sun morn with the race car hooked up. She said you cant race in the rain, I said maybe it's not rainig there, it wasn't. Back then Hampton was 5 dollars on Sat and 6 on Sun to race. Tues night at National was 10 dollars. The farthest under I went at a Nat event E Town was .57 and NE Drag .62 under. Considering the mild state of tune the engine was in and the stock Pushbutton trans, I think it ran quite respectable, and once again every single inch of it was built and machined by me, Paul

Paul,

As you know and as a bit of History for the younger ones out there, ATCO used to run fri., sat., and sun......wed. for grudge races. It was that way all along the East coast and that kiddies is how you run 100 or more times per year!

JimR

LNorton

12-16-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 157117)

They're mad at the slow guys because they don't spend enough money to be in the clique

This is pretty much the truth. I had a few racers express how they were displeased with our car running -0.57 at the President's Cup and -0.45 at the World Finals with a junkyard motor.

Those racers and threads like this are the main reason I stopped frequenting this site.

But guess what.... My shoe polish still works pretty well!

danny waters sr

12-16-2009 09:06 PM

Re: Black Tuesday?

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Originally Posted by LNorton (Post 157152)

BIG MONEY= BIG NUMBERS /Little money= little numbers / Little money + hard work= almost big numbers. You get what you pay for , i just didn't pay a lot. lol

Herbie Null

12-16-2009 10:10 PM

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Bryan, if me and you are the money crowd then can you give me a loan lol, holla

Chris "drooze" Wertman

12-16-2009 11:48 PM

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Thats why I dont watch it anymore, there was a time when ANYONE could run Nascar or Indy.....those days are gone, Drag Racing is one of the few sports a REAL "Dark Horse" can make a mark.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 157106)

FWIW - NHRA allows anybody to BUY their way into a class, Funny Car on down. If you can buy the parts, pass a licensing test, your in where ever your wallet allows you to be. At least NASCAR, Indy racing, F1, etc requires you prove yourself by moving up and through the ranks.

Back on topic: .500 index reduction would have been fine with me.

Paul Precht - no excuses are necessary.

Jimi B

12-17-2009 12:51 AM

Re: Black Tuesday?

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Originally Posted by drooze (Post 157194)

Thats why I dont watch it anymore, there was a time when ANYONE could run Nascar or Indy.....those days are gone, Drag Racing is one of the few sports a REAL "Dark Horse" can make a mark.

I agree. Especially these days. With the lack of sponsorship out there, some of the big guys arent making it, and some of the independently wealthy guys that have held on to there loot can get in there and do some damage. I know cubic dollars are an enemy in this thread, but you cant be mad at people for having money. It still amazes me every time I see some sportsman racer I have never even heard of qualifying in any of the pro classes.

wagonboy

12-17-2009 02:14 AM

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Michael Beard for president. Jody as vice pres. I am new on here, and new to stock. I have been racing for over 15 years and have wanted a stocker for forever and a day. I finally have one, it does not run under yet,but I am working on it, and it will, even if the index drops.

Here is what I gather from reading all this.

If you are not fast but can drive your *** off, the go fast guys don't like it.

Not all the fast guys/gals feel this way, but why not encourage participation. Who cares how much effort it takes to get at or under the index now, it still takes a bit of work and money even to get .2 under. There are people willing to jump in, but how "hard" do you want to make it. Get car counts up and s/ss healthy, then tweak the rules.

If I had to get 1 second under for index, I would work until I was there, of course I would be 89 years old, senile, wearing a diaper and not racing. I don't see how prolonging the ability for people to get started in the class can benefit the class. Maybe it will keep the prestige, but what is prestigious about a dying class. How prestigious will it be when it is gone ?

Nice to meet all of you.

Ryan Smith - 723R

GTX JOHN

12-17-2009 04:23 AM

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Good post and spot on Wagon Boy!!! We run an old Dodge Pickup and an old Wagon and I think we have as much fun as anybody with their big dollar stuff!!!:)

Curt Rees

12-17-2009 06:59 AM

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Ryan Smith for President, 2012.

#5457

Curt Rees

Dale Shannon

12-17-2009 09:22 AM

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wagon boy, you say you havebeen racing for 15yrs? I would love to know what kind of car someone could pick to run in stock and not run the index? Hell you can go to enterprize and rent a car that will run under.Times have changed over the years, just maybe everybody can't run stock and super stock anymore.

442OLDS

12-17-2009 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Shannon (Post 157229)

I would love to know what kind of car someone could pick to run in stock and not run the index? Hell you can go to enterprize and rent a car that will run under.

Which car would be the best to rent in order to do this?

X-TECH MAN

12-17-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 442olds (Post 157232)

which car would be the best to rent in order to do this?

corvette

Chad Rhodes

12-17-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 157234)

corvette

nah, cobalt ss

Michael Beard

12-17-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimi B (Post 157201)

I know cubic dollars are an enemy in this thread, but you cant be mad at people for having money.

No, not at all! Understand, I have absolutely no problem with someone who has money, spending it. Want a toterhome, stacker, and three brand new cars? If you can afford it, and that's what you want to do, super!

Welcome aboard, wagonboy! Holler if you need any help, tips, etc. Here's a guy who's going to get his feet wet, run the index, then run -.20 under, then run -.50 under and so on... not because someone forced him to spend money, but because he WANTS to go faster, yet do so within his means. Class racing does have a huge Performance component to it... but in my opinion it's about self-satisfaction, not the satisfaction of others.

Michael Beard

12-17-2009 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Shannon (Post 157229)

1) H*ll, anybody can buy a Cobra Jet. Let's move the indexes 1.25. :rolleyes:
2) Maybe he WANTS to build the car he chose and is enjoying working on it.
3) I think the standard Cobalt is a great candidate for Stock too, but not everybody wants to build or race a FWD. And if there are other rentals that will run under the index then hummmm... maybe they're not factored right! :rolleyes:

Billy Nees

12-17-2009 10:49 AM

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[QUOTE= I would love to know what kind of car someone could pick to run in stock and not run the index?

Almost anything with it's original Gross HP rating intact, almost anything with an early 70s inflated NET HP rating intact, almost anything that still has to use the ORIGINAL (not superceded) stock parts, oh yeah, anything built by a "newbie" without an "elder" looking over his shoulder making sure that he doesn't build it to the letter of the rules! Oh, one more thing, anything that hasn't had a racer convince a tech inspector that the specs are all wrong on and had them changed to his benefit!

Bobby DiDomenico

12-17-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 157232)

Which car would be the best to rent in order to do this?

The one that doesn't come from the factory with antifreeze in it?

Bobby Zlatkin

12-17-2009 11:46 AM

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Dale Shannon said:
"I would love to know what kind of car someone could pick to run in stock and not run the index? Hell you can go to enterprize and rent a car that will run under".

Gosh, I wish I'd known this five years ago. It sure would have saved me alot of time and hard work. Not a whole lot of money though because I love trying to see what I can do with what I got. I do realize that there are certain aftermarket things you have to have.

Used to be all you had to do was pick a good combination, buy headers, tires and a lower gear and you were competitive in stock. It takes a whole lot more than that now.

X-TECH MAN

12-17-2009 11:53 AM

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[QUOTE=Bobby Zlatkin;

Used to be all you had to do was pick a good combination, buy headers, tires and a lower gear and you were competitive in stock. It takes a whole lot more than that now.[/QUOTE]

Never mind.....I was going to make a list but you all already know what was going to be on it....lol.

partsbob67

12-17-2009 01:06 PM

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the best thing about this thread is the passion displayed for drag racing and class racing especially!!!! welcome aboard wagon boy, hope to see you at some races this year. merry christmas!!!!!!!

John Kelley

12-17-2009 02:13 PM

Re: Black Tuesday?

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Originally Posted by Dale Shannon (Post 157229)

You might rent it from Enterprise and it might be quick........
BUT IT WON'T PASS FUEL CHECK !!

Jim Mc Donald

12-17-2009 03:09 PM

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OK -- Dale Shannon,

I have a car that did not run the index. Its a Chevy Nova with a 307/2brl in it. I thought I could have some fun trying to get that particular motor to run. There are lots of 350 powered Nova's but not many people want to "mess" with an engine spec like what comes with a 307. Only person who did not laugh at me was Billy Nees. Thank you Billy Nees.

I must have figured wrong in wanting a challenge and trying to be different. Spent some money with the intention of getting satisfaction out of beating the index not beating up my bank account. I can always drop the 350 back in...............

art leong

12-17-2009 03:54 PM

Re: Black Tuesday?

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 157232)

Which car would be the best to rent in order to do this?

In 1988 Chrysler sold 500 Shadow CSX turbo car complete with 5 speed manual tranny. To Thrifty rent a car.
Every 1988 Shadow CSX started life as a rental car. And they could go.

That is what got me back to racing NHRA.

X-TECH MAN

12-17-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by John Kelley (Post 157294)

You might rent it from Enterprise and it might be quick........
BUT IT WON'T PASS FUEL CHECK !!

IHRA's pure stockers are allowed "PUMP GAS" because of emission controls and cats.

Dale Shannon

12-17-2009 08:16 PM

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Hey wagon boy Im sure you have a nice car and will do well in stock, your combo is not the norm by any means, but you have to agree when you here someone say they built a stocker and have been racing for 15 years its odd to here it doesn't run the index. Billy Nees I remember your 6 in row being at the top of the chart every race, man that feels like yesterday but was in the early 90's.

wagonboy

12-17-2009 11:11 PM

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Dale,

Thanks, I have been around drag racing my entire life. I have been a active participant for 15 or so years. I just purchased a stock eliminator 1980 malibu wagon 305- it is right at or just over the index. I took it out for my first time last weekend. My 15 years has been behind the wheel of my 1963 Falcon 2 door wagon- chopped with a sbc. Bracket/ SST- car my father helped me build 10 years ago. I agree Dale, if I had not got under the index in 15 years of trying, there would be something wrong with me !

Ryan

Jimi B

12-18-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 157239)

I wasn't directing that at anybody per se.

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 157241)

3) I think the standard Cobalt is a great candidate for Stock too, but not everybody wants to build or race a FWD. And if there are other rentals that will run under the index then hummmm... maybe they're not factored right! :rolleyes:

Thats why I am running a car that has a choice. FWD, or AWD!

Bryan Worner

12-18-2009 06:20 AM

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Hey Keith.....at least I'm not banned from this site!!! It's no wonder you have so many friends!! What are you going to drink this year at the races..........Full Throttle???

Michael Beard

12-18-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimi B (Post 157422)

Thats why I am running a car that has a choice. FWD, or AWD!

I remember years ago, Rick Wolf wanted to race his AWD Twin Turbo Dodge Stealth in Stock, and they wouldn't let him. (This was when they were new... can't remember if it just wasn't in the guide, they had an issue with it being AWD, or what the deal was...)

Is it just me, or were there more FWD cars running before they consolidated a bunch of the classes?

Dennis P Chapman

12-18-2009 11:32 AM

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Mike I thing it's about the same number.

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