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Ed Fernandez 07-12-2011 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lvd2340 (Post 268853)
This has been quite the interesting post, especially for those looking to get into the class on a "budget" if there even is such a thing in this class.

Would this combo be any good? 67 Plymouth/Dodge 273 4bbl which is factory rated at 235hp but only rated 210 by NHRA. These were 10.5-1 motors with a falt tappet cam and adjustable rockers. Only reason i ask is i have one of these engines sitting under our bench out of a 67 Dart GT i once had. In a Barracuda fastback looks like it would be an M car.

Bill,that's a terrible combination.Just stay with the bracket racing.:>):>):>)

Ed

Billy Nees 07-12-2011 08:12 PM

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Billy, I wouldn't listen to anyone that would race a Gremlin when it comes to combinations.

Mike Meier 07-12-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 268903)
Billy, I wouldn't listen to anyone that would race a Gremlin when it comes to combinations.

I second that!

Todd Boyer 07-12-2011 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 268863)
Bill,that's a terrible combination.Just stay with the bracket racing.:>):>):>)

Ed

What a terrible bunch of smarta$$es eh Bill ?????? ....... LOL
Matt Steen runs the 273/235/210 in a SS/K '66 Valiant (but at 230 in SS), not sure but I think Angela Bushmaker and Paul Wong run it in Valiant stockers.

Ed Fernandez 07-12-2011 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Meier (Post 268925)
I second that!

Zippy,the spirit is growing hair sitting in the trailer.We almost were tempted to take it to Beaver but it was too young for the reunion race.

lvd2340 07-13-2011 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Boyer (Post 268948)
What a terrible bunch of smarta$$es eh Bill ?????? ....... LOL
Matt Steen runs the 273/235/210 in a SS/K '66 Valiant (but at 230 in SS), not sure but I think Angela Bushmaker and Paul Wong run it in Valiant stockers.

Yes always a smart ***, would you expect anything less from someone racing an AMC? Ain't My Car hahaha

I saw pics of all those cars, Matt's looks insane running high 10's with that combo. I just wondered if this combo could get under the index easy enough without breaking the bank too badly. They do allow the closed heart shaped chamber heads for this combo just like the ones Steen uses. Not sure if this heads flow well enough or if the carb used on it is any good either. I've seen that with Angela's and probably Paul's combo they are allowed to run an approved Edelbrock aluminum intake but it doesn't appear the same could be said with the combo i mentioned. Looks like only the stock one is allowed. Lots of great combo ideas in this post, makes ya want to start scrounging the internet looking for these cars, lol.

Billy Nees 07-13-2011 07:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lvd2340 (Post 268975)
I saw pics of all those cars, Matt's looks insane running high 10's with that combo. I just wondered if this combo could get under the index easy enough without breaking the bank too badly. They do allow the closed heart shaped chamber heads for this combo just like the ones Steen uses. Not sure if this heads flow well enough or if the carb used on it is any good either. I've seen that with Angela's and probably Paul's combo they are allowed to run an approved Edelbrock aluminum intake but it doesn't appear the same could be said with the combo i mentioned. Looks like only the stock one is allowed. Lots of great combo ideas in this post, makes ya want to start scrounging the internet looking for these cars, lol.

Hey Billy, all kidding aside, it's a good combo. Compare it to a 283/223 even without the bogus intake (but I guess the 283 has it's own bogus intake) and you'll find it to be a better than good "dime" combo.

joe huestis 08-06-2011 09:47 AM

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Could a mid - seventies Olds Omega with the 260 V8 be competitive in U/SA ?? Billy ? Mark ? Dwight ?
Joe Huestis

Wake Forest, N.C.

michael mercer 08-06-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 267921)
Has the '66 full-size Ford with the 240 inline six ever been considered? It has some appealing specs, I think.

150 HP factor (OEM gross rating,) 1.787"/1.566" valves, long rod motor (6.7",) 12 port head, cam specs: .366/.400 lift, and fits the V Stock class (24# pounds per horsepower,) almost perfectly.

It comes with the all synchro 3-speed manual, or a C-4.

Dunno if it has the 9" or an 8" rear; probably the latter.

Dunno about that 1-bbl carb, though.

Might be difficult to find, but should be an easy (and cheap) build.

Back in the mid to late 70's someone ran a 68 galaxie ragtop with the 240. I think at the time it ran x/sa(not sure). I think it was very competitve if my memory serves me correctly.
In 77 I put a 240 in my 67 custom 500 2dr post, 5.14 gear, A1 converter, Clifford research hedders, Lunati cam, etc. I was never really able to get a handle on it though and I spent a bunch of money.
I do think the potential is there, but not cheap.

Jeff Lee 08-07-2011 02:59 AM

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misspelled

Tom keedle 08-07-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 273502)
I laugh at the references to 273's & 283's. Did anybody see Garett Ghezzi's SS/MA '69 AMX 290/210 #5 qualifying position last weekend behind (4) New CJ's & (1) SS/GT car?
Build the same engine for Stock and place it in the record books.
You can buy Ramblers or Javelins pretty cheap. 290's are almost free. Change back for your dime!

shhhhhhhhhhhh!

Billy Nees 08-07-2011 04:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 273387)
Could a mid - seventies Olds Omega with the 260 V8 be competitive in U/SA ?? Billy ? Mark ? Dwight ?
Joe Huestis

Wake Forest, N.C.

A couple of guys have tried it. Daran Summerton played with one a couple of years ago. Biggest problems, can't get the car light enough and it uses the small Rochester Dual Jet. Real small valves aren't a problem, the compression is a bit light. You'd be better off finding a Cutlass (78-82 but there are differences in the specs) or check out 2V and 4V 350s in Omega (they're Buicks).

joe huestis 08-07-2011 04:43 PM

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Billy,
I worked for GM back in the Seventies and early eighties. Don't remember the dual jet on any GM motors until '79 and later. I thought the '75 thru "78 models used the 2GC . I particularly remember the difference in power between the '78 models vs. the '79 when the carbs changed on the 305-2V. Could the 260 Olds have had a dual-jet as far back as '75 ?
Thanks,
Joe

Billy Nees 08-07-2011 04:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 273595)
Could the 260 Olds have had a dual-jet as far back as '75 ?
Thanks,
Joe

Yes, they had a Dual Jet that actually looked like a Q-Jet! it had the entire body without the rear throttle plates and air doors. They used to really screw some people up.

joe huestis 08-07-2011 05:09 PM

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Billy,
Thanks for the reply. I really missed that one ! I was probably one those who thought it was a Q-Jet !
Been looking for a '75 Nova for Mike Moller to put my 262 from the Monza in to run in U.
Has been hard to come by so far. One salvage yard I stopped at said to me, " finding one of those Novas in decent shape is like looking for a gold mine ! "
- Joe

Billy Nees 08-07-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 273605)
Been looking for a '75 Nova for Mike Moller to put my 262 from the Monza in to run in U.

- Joe

Be warned, the 75 Nova with the 262 uses a smaller 2g than your 76 Monza.

Bob Bender 08-07-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 273609)
Be warned, the 75 Nova with the 262 uses a smaller 2g than your 76 Monza.

Yes it does, and its not a good carb.

Mark Yacavone 08-07-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 273605)
Billy,
Thanks for the reply. I really missed that one ! I was probably one those who thought it was a Q-Jet !
Been looking for a '75 Nova for Mike Moller to put my 262 from the Monza in to run in U.
Has been hard to come by so far. One salvage yard I stopped at said to me, " finding one of those Novas in decent shape is like looking for a gold mine ! "
- Joe

There seems to be quite a few of those things around here.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2449834045.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2435197476.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2482824541.html

Tod Lane 08-12-2011 10:21 PM

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Any thoughts on a 03 Lincoln town car? 4.6 V8 if I read the classification guide right, and I never do, is rated at 210 HP and 3902 pounds= 18.58
R stock @13.95? Add weight to T at 14.40?

ALMACK 08-13-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tod Lane (Post 274830)
Any thoughts on a 03 Lincoln town car? 4.6 V8 if I read the classification guide right, and I never do, is rated at 210 HP and 3902 pounds= 18.58
R stock @13.95? Add weight to T at 14.40?

You had me looking at that combo. So I looked it up.
I never found where the 2003 Lincoln is listed, so I don't believe it is eligible.
All I saw eligble from FoMoCo for 2003 was the Mustang.


Strangely tho, a 1991-1992 E-150 van is eligible .....lol
Even more strange....a 97 Taurus wagon with the 3.0 ohv is eligible.

edit: I found 1995 Town Car rated at 210 hp.
wt/hp ratio is 18.46....18.54.....and 19.03. Take your pic.

ALMACK 08-13-2011 11:59 AM

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Can anyone tell me what the natural class a 16.52 lbs/hp car falls into ?
And, what is the next slower class down is ? Is it 17.0 or 17.5 lbs/hp ?

I don't have an NHRA rulebook.

I found the 91 Lincoln MKVII is eligible and it uses the Mustang 5.0 engine.

Mike Carr 08-13-2011 12:02 PM

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Weight breaks for all NHRA and IHRA S/SS classes:

http://classracer.com/classes.html

ALMACK 08-13-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 274904)
Weight breaks for all NHRA and IHRA S/SS classes:

http://classracer.com/classes.html

Thanks Mike !

I see a 1995 Town Car Cartier could technically run U/SA......hmmm......

Tod Lane 08-13-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 274937)
Thanks Mike !

I see a 1995 Town Car Cartier could technically run U/SA......hmmm......

I miss spoke, the car is actually a 1994 with the 4.6....

The question I have is the 4.6 capable of making this 3800 lb behemoth run under the index. I can get the car for nothing or next to it...
What would it take to get under index. Gears, convertor... WHere would you get some headers ?

Bob Pagano 08-13-2011 05:15 PM

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Any of the guys that build headers, even Billy could do it ! But they will need the car to do the job.

ALMACK 08-13-2011 07:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod Lane (Post 274942)
I miss spoke, the car is actually a 1994 with the 4.6....

The question I have is the 4.6 capable of making this 3800 lb behemoth run under the index. I can get the car for nothing or next to it...
What would it take to get under index. Gears, convertor... WHere would you get some headers ?


Your 94 could run :
......Q/SA @ 3570 w/driver.
Or, R/SA @ 3780 ( natural class)
Or, T/SA @ 3990 lbs.


This engine has me wondering.
I saw another thread about the 96-98 Mustang GT and I do not know the differnce between the 94 Lincoln 4.6 and the 96-98 Mustang 4.6.

Anyway, the concensus of the thread was that the 96-98 Mustang makes a good Pure Stocker. Not sure about an NHRA Stocker tho.

Not sure on this, but I was thinking the '90-99 Town Car was based on the Panther chassis. (Crown Vic)
If so, then there is where you would look for headers.

Robert Swartz 08-13-2011 07:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 274975)
Your 94 could run :
......Q/SA @ 3570 w/driver.
Or, R/SA @ 3780 ( natural class)
Or, T/SA @ 3990 lbs.


This engine has me wondering.
I saw another thread about the 96-98 Mustang GT and I do not know the differnce between the 94 Lincoln 4.6 and the 96-98 Mustang 4.6.

Anyway, the concensus of the thread was that the 96-98 Mustang makes a good Pure Stocker. Not sure about an NHRA Stocker tho.

Not sure on this, but I was thinking the '90-99 Town Car was based on the Panther chassis. (Crown Vic)
If so, then there is where you would look for headers.

Problem with IHRA pure stock. The weight breaks stop at I/PS, which is a 16.00 break. This car is way above that. These engines "should" be basically the same as the 96-98 Mustang? This is the 2 valve engine. Ford went to the 3 valve in 1999, I believe.

As my partner Tod says, "we can probably get the car for next to nothing". If we can't do anything with it. I'll just strip it out and sell the shell for scrap.

Yeah, it would at the least need headers, a converter and a posi unit and some gear. I have a set of wheels, just need a set of front tires and a set of slicks. If we end up with it, probably just do a simple tune up on it, check over for safety, brakes and such. Just take it to one of the local strips, see just how far off it is. I'll take it somewhere and weigh it first. Give me an idea of what we're up against.

ALMACK 08-13-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Swartz (Post 274979)
Problem with IHRA pure stock. The weight breaks stop at I/PS, which is a 16.00 break. This car is way above that. These engines "should" be basically the same as the 96-98 Mustang? This is the 2 valve engine. Ford went to the 3 valve in 1999, I believe.

As my partner Tod says, "we can probably get the car for next to nothing". If we can't do anything with it. I'll just strip it out and sell the shell for scrap.

Yeah, it would at the least need headers, a converter and a posi unit and some gear. I have a set of wheels, just need a set of front tires and a set of slicks. If we end up with it, probably just do a simple tune up on it, check over for safety, brakes and such. Just take it to one of the local strips, see just how far off it is. I'll take it somewhere and weigh it first. Give me an idea of what we're up against.

Robert:
I knew the Town car was not a good choice for IHRA Pure Stock.
As an NHRA Stocker or IHRA EFI Stocker I would think the TCar would need a 4.56 gear, a 4000 + stall , lightweight wheels/tires, lightweight brake rotors, electric fans, and special long duration cams. I would say that 2V could rev, so that would be the key.

You ought to try the combo and let us all know if the car gets close to the index. :)

Billy Nees 08-14-2011 08:51 AM

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Looks like a few of you have done some detective work on this Lincoln and I'd say "Go for it!". It really can't be a bad combo, if it fits T it should run the index. How fast will a Pure Stock Mustang go?

Robert Swartz 08-14-2011 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 275024)
Looks like a few of you have done some detective work on this Lincoln and I'd say "Go for it!". It really can't be a bad combo, if it fits T it should run the index. How fast will a Pure Stock Mustang go?


Billy,

Hinges on how little we can get the car for. Have to chuckle a little here, just never thought of a 4 door Lincoln as a "race car"! If we do this, correct me if my initial thinking is wrong. I figure the minimum I need to run the car, headers, I haven't researched this at all. Does anyone make headers for a Lincoln? Get a posi unit, if the car doesn't have one, or a mini-spool. A gear set, this has an 8.8, as suggested by Almack, a 4:88 or deeper gear, suggestions for a 4000 lb car? As mentioned, I have a set of wheels. Anyone in the Indiana-Kentucky-Ohio area got any old used fronts or slicks with some life left in them that you don't want to retire off of, LOL!That'd be enough for me to take it to the track.

Billy Nees 08-14-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Swartz (Post 275043)
Billy,

Hinges on how little we can get the car for. Have to chuckle a little here, just never thought of a 4 door Lincoln as a "race car"! If we do this, correct me if my initial thinking is wrong. I figure the minimum I need to run the car, headers, I haven't researched this at all. Does anyone make headers for a Lincoln? Get a posi unit, if the car doesn't have one, or a mini-spool. A gear set, this has an 8.8, as suggested by Almack, a 4:88 or deeper gear, suggestions for a 4000 lb car? As mentioned, I have a set of wheels. Anyone in the Indiana-Kentucky-Ohio area got any old used fronts or slicks with some life left in them that you don't want to retire off of, LOL!That'd be enough for me to take it to the track.

OK, let's start from the top. Somewhere in this thread I thought that it was said that you can get the car for "next to nothing". Even scrap it has to be worth $400 or $500 bucks. Where can you get a car that runs (I'm Assuming that it runs) for less than that? My biggest concern would be getting the stock ECU to do what I need it to do. I'm pretty sure that it controls not only the engine but the AOD trans too. 8.8 stuff is all over the place if you look, that's not a problem. To start, just find some shorty Mustang headers and make them fit then put some kind of down pipe on them, it doesn't have to start out pretty. Make sure that the engine is sound and the car is safe and just take it out. Again, my biggest concerns are the ECU and the AOD.

7423 08-14-2011 12:15 PM

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The ECU and the AODE will be just fine with a Tweecer. This is an adjustable chip of sorts that plugs into the factory ECU and changes the factory tune up. Does everything a FAST or other after EFI control would do plus change your WOT shift points. I have run one in my car since the beginning. I had a few issues with it but they (slowly) made the repairs and treated my fairly. Adding fuel to create a 13.0 AFR and firming up the shifts points (I ran the AODE in drive) equaled a .70 et improvement. All this on a 130,000 mile 5.0 that I never had the heads off of.

Ed Fernandez 08-14-2011 01:55 PM

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Do you think dragging around 2 tons,especially after spending a bunch on custom headers for this tank would qualify for a "dime rocket"?

danny waters sr 08-14-2011 04:15 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 275084)
Do you think dragging around 2 tons,especially after spending a bunch on custom headers for this tank would qualify for a "dime rocket"?

That would be a "quarter rocket"....lol

Tod Lane 08-15-2011 07:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 275051)
OK, let's start from the top. Somewhere in this thread I thought that it was said that you can get the car for "next to nothing". Even scrap it has to be worth $400 or $500 bucks. Where can you get a car that runs (I'm Assuming that it runs) for less than that? My biggest concern would be getting the stock ECU to do what I need it to do. I'm pretty sure that it controls not only the engine but the AOD trans too. 8.8 stuff is all over the place if you look, that's not a problem. To start, just find some shorty Mustang headers and make them fit then put some kind of down pipe on them, it doesn't have to start out pretty. Make sure that the engine is sound and the car is safe and just take it out. Again, my biggest concerns are the ECU and the AOD.

Actually the car is moms, I can get it cheap. Dad doesn't want her endangering the world anymore with her driving... :) It starts runs and moves just fine.

Ron Middleton 10-21-2011 04:12 PM

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Does this car qualify:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aspen...item4cfae19a92

Mark Yacavone 10-21-2011 06:02 PM

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Small valve 318, P/Stock stick!
As The Stray Cats said " Rev it up and go"

Phillip marvetz 10-21-2011 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Middleton (Post 289176)

Yes, But I can get one that's a lot nicer for less $$$.

dennis dunlap 10-21-2011 10:15 PM

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Alex ,Now why are you starting out whacking on the Cadiliac combo from the git-go , Build you one of those Lincolon Continintal set-ups they are every bit as soft from the start,,,,,,,,, Dunlap -Murphy SS-GTMA yey it,s a OLDSMO_LAC,,,,,,:cool:

Joe Toller 06-15-2012 02:03 AM

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Love it!!!

How about a 78 T-Bird, 400? There is alot of potential lurking in a 400, cleveland-type heads, C6 and a 9", a ton of torque, and easy as heck to find?

I'm being pointed towards a 460-powered 74 Torino, but the 'Bird popped out at me.


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