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Larry Hill 11-07-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Diving is always judged on style points!

Bill Koski 11-07-2013 09:48 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
There would have been a lot more style points if they had known the Championship was going to hinge on the action!!!!! Almost said dive.

Bill Edgeworth 11-07-2013 11:18 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Williams (Post 407854)
Bill, I know that this stinks like nobodies constitutional. I know better than a stinky port a john at the track, that this was a stinky lay down deal. I have watched Lambeck over the years and what he did was not like anything that I have seen before from him. If his car was hurt so bad that he couldn't make a pass or even do a burnout, then why bother? Disregard any BS that he forgot to flip a switch or whatever. If you go up and don't burn the the tires, then Lamb should know that something is not right. This was a pre arranged deal. If not, then why did Lamb wait on his every move? Reminds me of B movies, lots of bad acting and monsters always show up in the plot line. Drew could have been the Champ had somebody laid down along the way. Nobody did and he finished second. Charlie wasn't a factor at this point. To bring up some stuff that happened months ago, between a Stocker and a SC'er was, at best, bush league. To think, that we have to stoop so low and comment on that situation (you know who you are), that had nothing to do with final points, is disturbing. Lamb is the Champ. Drew is the runner up. It is the way that it is. Like it or not. Having blockers is one thing. Throwing a round as a multi time champion is another thing that just doesn't add up. There are just better ways to do this without drawing attention to yourself and drawing the ire of your competitors.

Steve,

We both obviously have strong opinions based on who we know or where we are from. So I will try my hardest to quench my ego and make this my last post on the issue :-)
I'm trying to be objective here and listen what people have said that was not just pure accusations or conjecture.
You mention the race being rigged between Doug and Justin. You are correct, it was and it was explained earlier in the thread by someone who was there. The explanation makes sense to me otherwise they would have done a better job of covering up .
The thing about the switch was a different race with a different driver and an explanation was given by the former owner of that car.
I sticking with my point of view based on what has been presented that its all on the up and up.
To take your point of view in my opinion your calling some very respectable people who have commented on the situation liars.
I'm sure that was not your intention but with one accusation comes the other.

Toby Lang 11-08-2013 04:33 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Well, since you brought it up again, what's that like 3 or 4 times now?, I'm going to post about it again.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Williams (Post 407854)
Charlie wasn't a factor at this point.

He was a factor for second. You and I both know that if Charlie was in third before Vegas he probably wouldn't have given a **** about what happened, but he felt like he was "robbed" out of $5000 by what went down. Kinda like Don feels now I bet.


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To bring up some stuff that happened months ago, between a Stocker and a SC'er was, at best, bush league. To think, that we have to stoop so low and comment on that situation (you know who you are), that had nothing to do with final points, is disturbing.
First off, I'll post about it whenever and wherever I want. If fact, now that you keep bringing it up, I might start posting about it more often.

Second, what's even lower and more bush league is what Charlie has done to Don after what happened in Norwalk.

I heard there is a court date set for the 18th of this month in Illinois. Don had to file a lawsuit to try to get some money out of Charlie. Maybe somebody can do a "Live from" the courthouse.

Charley Downing 11-08-2013 05:37 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Toby if you want the facts on the deal with don and I you or anyone can call me anytime 517-605-8309. If not keep playing on the Internet, I don't care.
I think it's funny someone that doesn't even own his own race car calls me bush league.
You don't have a clue about the accident and how don has changed the amount he wants three times now. You are right the court will decide our deal later this month. Looking forward to it.

Toby Lang 11-08-2013 06:44 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Yep, you got me there! I don't own my own race car.

You're right, I don't have all the facts. So, let me see if I got this straight. Since he has changed the amount three times, you shouldn't have to pay him anything?

What if the judge rules that you don't have to pay him because of the waiver or whatever. Is that what you're going to do?

SSDiv6 11-08-2013 09:02 AM

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[QUOTE=Charley Downing;407888]I think it's funny someone that doesn't even own his own race car calls me bush league.[QUOTE]

Toby may not be a race car owner, however, his driving skills make up for it for any car owner to hand him a race car to drive!

James Perrone 11-08-2013 09:33 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Dam this is as bad as the ESPN coverage of the football players in Miami.
Whats done is done Justin Lamb is champ like it or not.Its like playing cards ..Everyone plays the game to there advantage some win some don't.
By the way I have run out of popcorn...

Rich Biebel 11-08-2013 10:16 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Judge Judy would straighten this all out and it would be great if it was on TV.....:D

Pat Musi made it on one of those TV courtroom shows.....and we could get 2 episodes...

One for the pit accident and one for the possible round diving.....

HR9121 11-08-2013 10:39 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 407908)
Judge Judy would straighten this all out and it would be great if it was on TV.....:D

Pat Musi made it on one of those TV courtroom shows.....and we could get 2 episodes...

One for the pit accident and one for the possible round diving.....

I like it, that would be "real" tv. Maybe a mini-series?

Ed Wright 11-08-2013 11:35 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 407696)
I'm with you on that. I'd have done a light burnout, staged and hoped the other guy went red.

Chad, since they are friends, the Lambs may very well have know Lambeck's car was wounded. Staging & hoping for a red light in the other lane would not have worked.

Crew Chief 11-08-2013 01:43 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Since none of the three players with questionable starting line antics were anywhere near the top in points, laying down to help a fellow west coast racer win the championship would be the thing to do.

SSDiv6 11-08-2013 03:07 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crew Chief (Post 407925)
Since none of the three players with questionable starting line antics were anywhere near the top in points, laying down to help a fellow west coast racer win the championship would be the thing to do.

Get your facts straight; only two of the racers are from Division 7.
Ted Romero is Division 5.

cs racing 11-08-2013 07:37 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
NO Questionable starting line tactics on Gilleys part !!! Just drivers error on a Heads up Race !!! For you bench racers, that means give it all you got best man wins, in this case it was Justin Lamb, why has nothing been said about the Div race back east last year, when a Stock racer won ALL 6 rounds by way of red lights, was that luck or did all 6 drivers lay down for him !! Did NHRA keep the money ? Or was his Win any less of a Win than winning it at the finish line ? Maybe we should start having a liberal class where everyone is a winner, You guys need to get job, no get a life !!! BTW no takers at Pomona on calling Gilley a liar and a cheater to his face !! Imagine that !

Crew Chief 11-08-2013 09:00 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 407937)
Get your facts straight; only two of the racers are from Division 7.
Ted Romero is Division 5.

Yep, right next door to Division 7.

SSGN 11-08-2013 09:30 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Wow what a thread and nobody has been banned yet :rolleyes: :eek:

Kevin

DrJRacing 11-08-2013 09:31 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crew Chief (Post 407925)
Since none of the three players with questionable starting line antics were anywhere near the top in points, laying down to help a fellow west coast racer win the championship would be the thing to do.

The last part of this statement is what caught my attention. Is this idea widespread/ common? Maybe I am missing something. I can understand the underlying desire to help those "on our side" but a championship won in this way would,I hope, be unacceptable to most racers. That opinion being stated, I have the limited information most others have been exposed to on this thread, and therefore do not know the complete set of facts behind the debate. Looking forward to the final conclusion.

7423 11-08-2013 09:48 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 407908)
Judge Judy would straighten this all out and it would be great if it was on TV.....:D

Pat Musi made it on one of those TV courtroom shows.....and we could get 2 episodes...

One for the pit accident and one for the possible round diving.....

Priceless Rich !!

Charlie and Don need to be on Dr Phil...

SSDiv6 11-08-2013 10:05 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crew Chief (Post 407964)
Yep, right next door to Division 7.

If you are so sure they did so, why you don't tell this to Mr. Gilley and Mr. Romero in their face next time you see them at the track? I believe you would be making a visit to your favorite Orthodontist!

Don Higgins 11-08-2013 10:29 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Wow...

Congrats to Mr. Lamb on his championship.

Chad Rhodes 11-08-2013 11:38 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 407973)
If you are so sure they did so, why you don't tell this to Mr. Gilley and Mr. Romero in their face next time you see them at the track? I believe you would be making a visit to your favorite Orthodontist!

I love the keyboard warriors who think someone is gonna whip someone else's ***. How "high school"

boostedf22c 11-08-2013 11:57 PM

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I finally took some time and read all of this…….and…….

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps74a47d7c.gif

Ed Wright 11-09-2013 12:07 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boostedf22c (Post 407986)
i finally took some time and read all of this…….and…….

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps74a47d7c.gif

lol!

Nathan Stinson 11-09-2013 12:15 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley Downing (Post 407888)
Toby if you want the facts on the deal with don and I you or anyone can call me anytime 517-605-8309. If not keep playing on the Internet, I don't care.
I think it's funny someone that doesn't even own his own race car calls me bush league.
You don't have a clue about the accident and how don has changed the amount he wants three times now. You are right the court will decide our deal later this month. Looking forward to it.

Oh the irony in your post. Toby don't have the facts and should call you to get them? LOL! You jumped in on the first page of this thread spewing crap that you have no proof to back up but that was ok? It aint no fun when the rabbits got the gun.

You guys might as well suck it up and move on hes the champ no matter how he got it or what anyones perception of how he got it is. This isn't the first time a champion has been crowned with people asking questions and I am sure it wont be the last.

Patrick Downing 11-09-2013 01:01 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 407973)
If you are so sure they did so, why you don't tell this to Mr. Gilley and Mr. Romero in their face next time you see them at the track? I believe you would be making a visit to your favorite Orthodontist!

Buy me a flight and I'll ask tomorrow, I haven't seen the orthodontist in a while and if I play my cards right I might be able to work a new race car out of the deal, or at least try to make them look like bad people on the Internet forums....

I'm surprised that no one has asked why Gilley was using a 2 step on a heads up run? I was under the impression that, on the majority of carbureted cars, foot braking was 3-5 Hundreths quicker than using a 2step? And also why he didn't test it to see if it would hold before the round if he was "thrashing it hard" for the heads up? I'm not claiming that it's %100 a payoff/dive/whatever you want to call it but the rounds where Lamb gained the points he needed to clinch the championship look far to suspect to not be questioned in depth.

Now it's time for some more popcorn !

SSDiv6 11-09-2013 02:03 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 407983)
I love the keyboard warriors who think someone is gonna whip someone else's ***. How "high school"

How would you feel and react if someone made accusations and slanderous remarks about diving for someone else to win?

I happen to know Mr. Gilley and Mr. Romero and they are not the type to sell their soul or dive for someone else to win a race.

HR9121 11-09-2013 09:23 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Its funny when you hear people comment about knowing someone and what that person would do. Reminds me of the neighbor of the person that just shot 5 people at the local mall, and they always say "I didn't think he was the type of person".......

Alan Roehrich 11-09-2013 10:19 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
And yet many of us are much closer to our racing friends than we are any of our neighbors. Probably much closer to our racing friends than most other people are to their neighbors.

This whole episode has been great entertainment. Not real good for the sport. As a comedian once said, it ain't funny, but it's something to laugh at.

One thing is for sure, there are a lot of people around here who should be in excellent physical condition, since they get an incredible amount of exercise jumping to conclusions.

HR9121 11-09-2013 10:29 AM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
That's very true Mr Alan.

Mickey Whaley 11-09-2013 12:00 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
I think im gonna walk outside and slap the first person I see!

Mack Reeves 11-09-2013 12:11 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 408014)
I think im gonna walk outside and slap the first person I see!


Now that is funny!!!!!!

SSDiv6 11-09-2013 12:40 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
My Orthodontist reference was a bit overboard, however, I believe it is time to put an end to the drama and accusations of others diving.

Like Alan said, we racers are a family and there are many racers that I consider such and are closer to me than my own family.

I know personally Bob Lambeck, Gilley and Romero. Bob has been racing forever and has been one of the pioneers of this sport in many aspects. Gilley and Romero are avid racers like many of you and I know they would not have given a free ride to Lamb.

Like a few have speculated, I believe the run between Doug and Justin, if it was for Doug to earn the run money and his car was hurt, they should have made it less obvious.
Nevertheless, making accusations of other racers diving for Justin I believe is out of character.

It is time to put all this infighting behind and look forward to a next year of racing and new challenges!

Jason 11-09-2013 12:40 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Once again the Mississippi river splits the country. It's East vs West.

Time for more popcorn.

Floyd Staggs 11-09-2013 01:17 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Put it away. It's all over and there is nothing more to talk about.

HR9121 11-09-2013 01:41 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
I'm just glad there is 35 miles in between mickey and my house!

7423 11-09-2013 01:52 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Floyd Staggs (Post 408024)
Put it away. It's all over and there is nothing more to talk about.

Oh Floyd !!! This is great comedy.................what else are you going to do until Fontucky opens?

Floyd Staggs 11-09-2013 01:55 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 7423 (Post 408026)
Oh Floyd !!! This is great comedy.................what else are you going to do until Fontucky opens?

Polish my truck and play with my dog.

GTX JOHN 11-09-2013 03:54 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
We currently race five Mopar Thermoquad Stockers
NONE are quicker on Footbrake.

Gilley ALWAYS uses a two step and blinder.
I stand by all my observations of that race that I posted.

John Irving

Rich Biebel 11-09-2013 05:25 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley (Post 408014)
I think im gonna walk outside and slap the first person I see!

The funniest post of the thread, by far.....

Kick their dog too if they have one....

Alex Denysenko 11-09-2013 07:23 PM

Re: Sliding through the lights trying to stage
 
What did I miss???


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