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Its about time. Hopefully NHRA will listen.
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Peter you need to go back and re-read my original post.
I said and I quote "Mr. Hill is right....it will sell more Tech Cards...follow the money." And in your post you made the same statement, so we agree. What I don't understand is why you would mention me by name unless it was something else that is bothering you? If you do not wish to make a post on here you can PM me or 210-373-4004. I have nothing against you, and hold you in high regard, just don't appreciate the way that you singled me out. Your a bigger person than that and I look forward to speaking with you. Best of luck this year RJ Sledge |
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RJ- I appreciate your comment and your concern with being singled out. Please don’t interpret the tone of my wording so much as negative. I was simply stating the facts and how Mr. Hills comment about the introduction of TruSTART being “all about selling tech cards” as being contradictory to his initial thoughts on it not being good for the sport. Those 2 don’t make sense together. Truth is, we believe it will ultimately sell more tech cards in the long run which means it’s good for the sports health (our races/ short term/ and long term). I grouped you into that when you piggybacked on to his/ that comment. No worries and I didn’t get offended and I hope for you not to either.
Bottom line on this: Obviously, we (Compulink, Kyle and myself) believe it’s good but ultimately the racers across the country will help dictate where it goes. In the meantime, the internet will be filled with opinions and banter and so far it’s looking like 80% positive. |
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Count me in. How can this be not fair... Bob Michael 3240 Stock
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Well so far, the only place that was said is on posts by Bruce, nowhere else.
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''Trustart will be a good bracket aid, it has no place in NHRA Championship Racing.'' post #114
With trustart the racer has one more chance to get to the next round, that's why it will sell more tech cards. I am a class racer I love to run heads up, with anybody in the class. 427fe, 427 chevy, ls1, hemis, lt1, 396 chevy, 413MW, 426MW,' vets, and the rest. Hope you folks made some money in Vegas. |
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To understand where Compulink and the Spring Fling are coming from on the introduction of TruSTART, you would need to learn more about us as well as the people involved (Bob Brockmeyer, Kyle Seipel and myself). From Compulinks standpoint, they are constantly looking to make their software the best and most efficient in all race scenarios. Not an easy thing to do with all the possible scenarios that can play out in a drag race. Now that I know Bob Brockmeyer better, I can tell you he is passionate about what he does and a very hard worker. From the Spring Fling side of things; we have much more to lose than we do to gain in changing the way the timing system works on a double red light situation. We have been very successful in the way we have been doing things in the past and some would say we are crazy to change anything. Kyle and I have thought long and hard on this AS A RACER and the bottom line is we believe in the concept and want it at our events. If it's not a hit we stand to ruin our event that is already very successful the way it currently sits. It if is a hit, then we will see where it goes from there and the racers will dictate that. The rest is yet to be determined but logically speaking I would say IF it does spread throughout the country it won't be any different than Crosstalk and Auto start (where tracks that currently utilize the Compulink system (I believe roughly 80% of the tracks use Compulink) can upgrade their system similar to the way they upgraded their systems when they chose AutoStart and Cross-talk. Yes, there will be a cost involved (similar to when tracks upgraded their systems with AutoStart and Cross-talk). And similar to Crosstalk and AutoStart, I am sure it will be very reasonable. And if all goes well, similar to Crosstalk and AutoStart, all racers (and not just Spring Fling racers) will benefit from a better system in the long run. Hopefully, this is a better explanation on who we are and where we are coming from. |
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But Larry when you buy the Tech Card you don't know if you will be leaving first or last...... Same-o same-o..... Sometimes I chase and sometime I am chased.... As far as being a Heads-Up class racer TruStart doesn't come into play.. In a heads-up the first red light is always the worst red light... Bob |
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The higher class guys just don't want to lose the freebe rounds they have gotten used to. Percentages mean nothing also. I like it when a slower car goes red against me too. Doesn't make it more fair than the worst red light.
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I think it would be a lot more fair if it was done like we did a long, long time ago. You had a pre stage and a stage. One yellow and a green. Yellow is .5 from the green. Throw those stinking reaction timers away, too. That is right, run races without them. Then use the "new" first or worst system. Peter, That should be a system you could figure out something to sell for driving aids.
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I REALLY dont get why you fast guys are upset about leveling this out. What is unfair about a slow car with an -.02 light winning against a fast car with an -.025 light ? Is that its been the old way so long that you feel an advantage is being stolen from you ? Is it because your the FAST cars ? I'm asking, OK ?? I know its been that way a long time. I kinda like reaction timers myself.
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I don't understand why it is so wrong to some that both drivers have to cut a light to make it a race? Instead of the race being over when the first driver red lights. I guess it is suppose to be a perk for building a fast car. Not everyone can afford to be a fast car. This change is looooong over due.
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Does NHRA use Crosstalk when its runs top dragster and top sportsman?
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Yes they do Larry.
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It may happen sooner than later.
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Biondo+Compulink+Electronics= Money. I applaud their ingenuity. TruStart is simply a new product launch and it has all the lower class car racers thinking it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. But the bottom line it is all about business, that is, making money. Again, I applaud making money. But, please don't think this was done out of the kindness of somebody's heart. It will likely stifle their competitors which is the all American way of doing business.
The slow car racers should have to give a 5 or 6 second spot to feel the experience on an A car sitting at the line. Billy had some line about "waiting is the hardest part" on the back of his car. So you know...don't you Billy? Just so none of us are under any illusion, this Trustart product is red light protection while the faster cars have to wait to chase them down. I suppose that's fair to them. For the record, this is an old debate and I did not want it changed when I ran J-N. With all the new cars at the track, an A/SA car will be leaving first more often than in the past. Yes, an A car will still leave last in most cases but try to figure out a fair compromise to this wonderful red light protection. |
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I'm sure this is in these 180 posts, but at the Spring Fling, how many actual races did this affect as compared to the current First Red Out? Does that sound right?
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http://www.bracketraces.com/spring-f...lion-vegas.php Jeff |
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Jeff-
We did not have the Spring Fling yet as it will be in April (we only did a trial run for one round in Vegas this weekend within their weekly bracket race). We implemented TruSTART for one full round (one cycle).. about 80 pairs (give or take). Out of those 80 pairs; we had 4 'double red' occurrences. Out of those 4 pairs, 2 of the pairs had the faster car having the "worst" red. Another aspect of the implementation of this was the psychological element. Speaking as a racer (that normally is the faster car in bracket racing and with my B/SA). I always felt when I left second I could afford to 'set up' slightly more aggressive on the starting line. TruSTART will force both lanes to approach the tree the same (leaving first or last). This was part of the reason (besides the obvious) that pushed us towards TruSTART. With all this said, I personally will continue to try to be the 'chaser/ faster car' as I enjoy the luxury of watching the finish line from behind rather looking over my shoulder. |
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Actually I hope that it helped no one...........................
Just let it sit in the background until it is needed to determine the winner of a double red light in a handicap type race........ Remember when Auto-Start was enacted and everybody thought that it change drag racing?????????? Nobody even talks about Auto-Start anymore........ Taking away deep staging changed racing much more than Auto-Start... Just let it happen because in a few years no one will even notice TruStart.. Can't we all just get along, Bob https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...ayGULFywAX3m9u |
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Peter, Of the single car red lights how many were the fast car and how many the slow car? Just wondering if having Trustart made fast guys go red more than usual. If not why the concern about Trustart. Jeff |
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Thanks Peter. I guess I am just not paying attention. Is my assumption that a track using the software (which most are), this would be an update or upgrade, and not a new system? I really don't have a dog here, just wondering.
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YES................. I am now retired......... My new shop is almost ready for the twin post lift...... Renewed my NHRA Competition Number and was even able to use the same number that I have had for 35 years..... I have to rebuild the Firebird from one end to the other because its been sitting for 6 years......... Bob PS: I am still racing with A & M Motorsports with Bob Aceves in his 1968 Firebird.....I never really stopped |
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Listen to Peter Biondo talk about the new TruSTART system with Joe Castello on WFO Radio.
The duo talk about the brand new concept for over 30 minutes, click the link below to listen https://soundcloud.com/wforadio/nitr...2016#t=2:02:45 -Kyle www.BracketRaces.com |
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Here is a link that was started many years ago. We can see who changes their view.
http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=31751 |
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Casey; isn't that AMAZING??? I guess the fact that Peter and Kyle have suggested implementing exactly what was suggested (and shot down, with never a valid reason given, years ago,) has made all the difference.. . lots of replies in support, now.... LOL!
H.R. Haldeman told John Dean, during the Watergate hearings, ""Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it is awfully hard to get it back in." I think Ed Fernandez and his buddy, Ed Wright might know what that means... |
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Lose a couple like hat, and you might change your thinking. |
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Bill, I think I broke this all down about 10 years ago...... It made sense back then and it till makes sense...... It guess that it took a decade to understand...... Bob |
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