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Although I do love the idea of sleepers, I prefer those cars you just know from the second you see 'em were meant for one thing and one thing only. Cars like the '68 Road Runner Art & Tex raced for Big Jerry, Froggy's '65 Belvedere, the Cross-Bay Dart and others from that time with that sort of look just gets my blood flowing. To me those are the coolest f-king vehicles ever made. Sure most of them don't have a front bumper, or a heater, or ... anything else. But that's the point. Just raw, nasty, wicked, primered, snorting, high-horse, no-back-seat, dinged up, rough looking machines that mean 100% business and won't show up for less than a few thousand $$$.

:cool:

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cammer427,
Had to check up on a 'Bunny-Ride':).
My friend says; The 'Bunny' was at Dover late-summer 68', or possibly 1969, with a red 68' Mustang. Which could have put her near the Street-race scene, for a night or two.:rolleyes:
Car was not a Boss 429 Mustang Pro/Stock like I thought. Could have been either a 68' 428 SS/E Cobra-Jet, or Modified Production.
Many Moons Ago,,,so I'll ask for some 'literary license'.
They say the first thig to go is the brain,,, but some other things on the body went first:eek:
Paul

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For alot of us the "rat rod" look (to use modern parlance) wsn't really a choice:o. Once your car got known there was little reason to put any money in cleaning it up and most of us simply put our money in the driveline first, took out & ran it & suddnly, if you were good< your car became known. Since these were alot of young guys, extra money just wasn't availible.
I can remember standing above Connectin or hanging out at the Marina, sometimes for hours just waiting to see a high dollar run.

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hemicop,
I can remember (1969/1970), guys were selling the 63' and 64' Dodge Max-wedge cars, because they were not pretty, at the track. Drag-strip racers sold them fairly cheap to street-racers, who of course pounded them 'Unmerciful', till there was nothing left...AHHHH!
If they only knew:(,,
Paul

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I have a whole website about the race car AMXs, especially the Hurst built 1969 Super Stock AMX, Check here and click on the "visit" link at the bottom:

www.superstockamx.com

The S & K car is car #19 on page 5, John D'Andreas non Hurst car is on page 6. I have been researching these cars for 30 years and would love to correspond with anyone with more info.

thanks

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I've visited your website a few times---great stuff. I thought John's was a factory car---obviously I was wrong:o. I have a friend, Tom Iverson, who used to work at Randall's AMC when they were building the 401 Gremlin's (actually, he was in charge of it all) and worked on Penske's Trans-Am team when they ran 'em. He tells some good stories. I don't recall ever seeing the S&K AMX ever running the street by any of its owners but I do know John played alot on the street--don't know if he ever took his AMX out, though.

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Tom,
I sent you a Private Message on the Yonkers Garaged S/S car, originally from south New Jersey. Still searching for Delmar Delaware racing photo's to confirm.
Also, the Flemington Rambler sponsored AMX was at Dover for a
big S/S event back in the day.
And Arnie Goldberg's B/MP car (from Official Auto Parts, Yonkers).
Arnie's Javelin 'The American Rat' was a runner. Man that car was light.
Also, a true S/S car ended up at Fink's Car Sales (AMC/Jeep/I.H. Scout)
in Mahopac, NY (1974). Trying to find the details. The head mechanic from Fink bought it, (second or third owner). Like pulling teeth.
Paul

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Bunny Hop,
The 68' Mustang was a converted 68' S/S car. An ATI transmission
equipped car. It was designed for Match-Racing (Show Car). Not really a legal SS/EA car. May have been a 'FE' 427 with twin-carbed high-riser.
She was friends with the Brooklyn-crew, when they went to
Cecil County and Capitol.
Came to Dover with red-Mustang (bubble-hood), and John Lyles I think had the Hemi GTX. Should have been late-summer 68'?
PC

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Hi Paul-I PMed you about what to look for on the car. I am also looking for info on the AMX at Finks. It may be the American Image car out of NY. Anyone have other info, pics, etc? What color was it? Anything?

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To paul ceasrine, i have to admit you are a wealth of information. How did you gather it all. I am in awe of it all. Are you from the westchester / rockland area ? You should be writing a book----amazing !! ----john :)

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For those of you who remember Island Porting in Broad Channel, my dad scanned a decal he had sitting in his shop, He ported heads there from about 1969 -1973. Lots of street racers had work done there. Thanks for the help, I was able to upload it!

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Try opening the file in Microsoft Paint (if you're on Windows, of course) (Start > Programs > Accessories > Paint). Once the file is open, choose "Save As" from the File menu. In the little Save window that pops up, choose where to save the photo in its new format and from the "Save As Type" drop-down list, choose JPEG, then click Save.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks!, worked like a charm.

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Very cool sticker :D

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Carl , that sticker may be the last in existance. I am sure your father told you some great stories from pete's place. He was a good guy and patient mentor ----lol---at times ! Good memories / great times

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Yes, many stories, he said he sat me in a front engine dragster Pete had in the shop (I had to be about 4-5 yrs old) I dont remember it and no pics were taken. He remembers the Dart in the shop that they raced on the street. He has some cool original eliminator decals from NY National, and I think even an AHRA decal. Lots of cool history.

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How quick was the Dart? We never took the 64 plymouth to the track. So I really didn't know what it would run but I figured high tens for the plymouth.

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Hey artie, that is what makes a good street racer -lol. We took the dart to e-town 1 time during the week for a test n tune-----no time of course. What a circus it turned out to be if you know what i mean. It certainly was not ready for bracket racing. Different track surface than the conduit. An 11teen ---10.82----10.96. So when you figured the car for 11.0's you were right there. Do names like harvey and howie and al sound familiar ? Looking back ,it probably was one of the worst decisions as we found out--- there are no secrets at the track. No matter what we did the time leaked out very fast. OH WELL !

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Believe it or not that number was not from inside info, it was from who you beat and by how much etc.
The only street race car we took the track was the 71 Charger with the Hemi in it. We put SS/DA on the window fillede out the time card with a Virginia address made one run 10.51 @ 128. Loaded it up and went home. Nobody looked to see it there was a roll bar in it or even thought about it. Froggies car was a couple of hundered pounds heavier than the Charger though.
I remember Harvey and Howie I think Howie was the driver?

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Art, Like I said , info is vital. The more runs you make and against who you race all adds up. Harvey drove the car , Howie was the mouthpiece and Al stuttered a lot and a good street racer gets this information. AND WHAT HAPPENS IN STATEN ISLAND STAYS IN STATEN ISLAND ! LOL . Will you be coming up for Big E-Town race this year ? Shame about BKLYN HEAVY . Met Rufus once and he and his entourage ---nothing but class. --------Do you remember a 66-67 red Chevelle. Car was immaculate. BB of course. Street registered and driven to the Bow Wow. The car flat out FLEW ! ------John

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I won't be coming to E'Town this year. I'm going to be away for the first 3 weeks of May and won't get to a decent track before June. I was going to go but I got hit by an attack of smarts. I can go to an SSSSA race 200 miles away from my house have a test session on Friday night, then get at least 2 time runs and 1 elimination run on both Saturday and Sunday. I'll learn a bit more about the dial in and won't have any NHRA eyes looking to knock my index a tenth and a half. The last nhra 2 races I've gone to have been worry fests about getting hit.
One thing we used to do was go to Hampton or E'town and shift 1st to 3rd. We had Froggies car there with the my 440 in it. Let him go by himself. We werent even there. This worked out well because someone always would blab and He would run high 11's with the 2 gears. That was what everyone thought. That was the "inside" info. Nobody ever noticed how many times he shifted.
That was why I didn't pay much attention to the track rumors. More afraid of "misinformation".

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FINESPLINE,
Thank You. Those are very kind words.
A short history. My father started racing (Dover Drag Strip) 1968.
Based out of his West Road Amoco Gas Station, Carmel, New York.
The place was a 'Hot Bed' for all the local street racers. Many would tune-up their cars at my fathers garage A geat place for a 12 year old kid to learn. 1971 my father started his own machine shop, Valley Motor
& Machine, Jefferson Valley (Northern Westchester) It all took off from their. I'm kind of STATISTICS FREAK..
Again, Thank You for the compliment.
Paul

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Paul, I believe I may have found the answer to our question whether Heavy's '68 Hemi Dart was the same as the one owned by the Mutt Brothers. I came across a posting by jtower1969 on the "Brooklyn Heavy" Yenko.net thread where he mentions his father told him the Dart owned by Heavy was indeed owned by the Mutt Bros (I am assuming the Mutt Bros sold it directly to Heavy with noone else owning the car in-between them).

I'm sure I had read that post a while back but had forgot all aobut it. Here's the link (the post is fourth from the bottom):

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...true#Post53311

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cammer427,
Good History Hunting!!!
Oh so many moons ago.
Once Pro/Stock became the rage, the 68' Hemi Darts and Cuda's
were only able to run in Pro/Stock for 70' and 71'. 1972 it was over to A/MP or get cut up for Gas or Match Race trim. Not too many 68' Hemi cars were left in proper trim, after 1973.
As for 68' Hemi Cuda's in the Northeast.
1) Ed Miller (SS/B) out of Syracuse, NY
2) Bob Gaudreau 'Candy Cuda', out of Bristol CT.
3) John Macey 'Heads Up', out of Bridgeport, CT.
4) Phil Cerrone 'Harris Auto Sales', Gorton, CT.
Thats It!,,Some mystery Cuda's, but no complete documentation.
Paul

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http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/136...emicharger.jpg

Artie, what year was this...1974?

M68

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Fullmetaljacket here.
Greetings to all you OG's
New to this board but old and witness to the stories.
I'm a recovering street haunt pacer.LOL.

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I think it was 1974 I know it was Labor Day weekend. Most of the "heavy hitters" were off to Indy. And it gave us a chance. That was our first win.
That was during the any treaded tire unaltered from the manufacturer days. Notice the 12" wide treaded slicks from M&H.
That was eventually our street race car 2900 pounds with a steel headed hemi.

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Welcome LQ.

M68 (aka Qwik426)

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Sounds right to me, Artie. Twenty-nine hundred pounds for a '71 Hemi B-body is hard to believe--not that I doubt your word. Any speculation as to how this was accomplished?

M68

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That was back when they tanked whole bodies, and I pretty sure the Charger was one of them. Also the 2900 pounds was with only a drivers seat, no roll cage, etc.

I'm a new member on this site, Belvidere487z.
Much respect to the "old school" street runners, and class racers.
I have learned a lot from you all. Thanks for your inspiration and infleuences, which is "all good"!
Art, heard about Ray. My VERY late condolences, man.:( God bless him. You guys were a force to be reckoned with
on or off track (street)!! BIG respect to you BOTH!
I hope that I can be just as helpful as you all were to me in my earlier years.
Take care and keep the ET's low (strip)/don't smoke the tires off the line (street).:D
Later guys and gals!

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Artie, was that "tanking" really acid-dipping? (Don't mean to ask a dumb
question) 2900 lbs is definitely feasible, considering what you started out with. Your power to weight factor was pretty good!!

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That's the eastbound leg of the Nassau Expressway. They continued it past the ex-turnoff to the northbound side of the Van Wyck I-678, into the existing Rockaway Blvd merge. It is a GOOD surface, better than the 150th/conduit site. :D However, pulling runs off may be a little tricky, if the noise and crowd factors are TOO great. A little easier to do, than at Conduit/150th. You don't have to worry about the side roads, hotel traffic past 150th shooting across to the highway entrance. That would
be the makings of a BAD twilight run for ya!! :eek:

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The Airport Diner is GONE. A couple of businesses rose and fell at that site, including a car rental place. The only thing, that I know of that has not really changed is the school at 130th/conduit, eastbound side? (It has been a few years), and they built a huge gas station (multi stalls) on the
westbound side of the Conduit. Some modernization on the homes toward Ozone Park, basically the area has changed somewhat.

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To artie leong,
just learned through reading a post in here that ray cook passed. My late condolesences to you and his family as there is a lot of history between you and him. Hope everything is well and hope to run into you one day at a track. Good luck rest of season.
John

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Here's a picture of Ray (and Kevin Schmidt) during happier times at the York US 30 National Open race in 1979.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6803/york116.jpg
(Lynn W. Morton photo)

M68

P.S. Where the heck is Artie? :)

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Artie lives in Georgia now.

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Being from Oklahoma I don't know anything about the rest of the post but the above is still true!

Bill

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Not trying to change the subject but does anybody here remember a yellow '55 Chevy named "Family Affair?" NOT a street racer but a Jr. Stocker that ran out of the NYC area...possibly Brooklyn? with the usual stuff...Forgedtrues, Stahls, and Jarrell trans...early '70's time frame?

I was at that York '79 meet but all I remember is almost getting run over by Ed Racis in his Nova while he was making the call for Eliminations, LOL!!!!

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I had a long -time friend that was very close to Earl..and yes that was Booth's car..I was in Paterson the day the hauler showed up with it. That car had some history. And prol kept Booth in "green"..long after the fact..better than when he campaigned it.!