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You don't. The integrity has to come from people above tech. Because tech has to be allowed to actually enforce the rules. People, and parts, have to be thrown out. not let slide.

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If that ever happened where would all the sportsman racers go ?

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I'm definetly not a participation trophy guy. lol

What do we do? Go back to points?

Disclaimer: I haven't raced Stock in 25 years. I usually don't comment on threads that involve current racing. I couldn't help myself here. But, not having a dog in this fight, I'm gone...

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If that happened then the bracket class/cars would become the new NHRA sportsman racers IF they decided to keep racing. I hope it never happens but there is always that chance. A lot of guys said that would NEVER happen with the IHRA. :eek: And look what happened to Modified elim. Yeah, we ended up with S/C and S/G plus S/ST at some National event races.

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Really? Have you ever seen the stands at a bracket race?

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Yeah.............I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
Do you race S/SS?

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Yes I did. Now don't laugh I raced a 1953 Ford Flat Head in N/S back in the stone age (1964). .Gee I missed out on the $300 dollar entry fees and the $100 car number crap ! I raced in SS/IA at the Sports Nationals. That was in the early 1980's. Today I have a 1934 Chevy 3 window steel bodied street rod now with all the good stuff. A/C, Power Windows, Leather interior, coil over suspension, Rack and pinion steering, and a ZZ4 crate engine, 700-R4 trams and a 9 inch Ford rear. Its less work and less $$$$ to go to the car shows so do I miss drag racing???? Yes but not all the BS and expense that you have to deal with today.

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Yes but do you really think most spectators fill the stands to watch Stock and S/S ? Then why does the NHRA cater to T/ Fuel and Fuel funny car plus the circus acts ?:D

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NO.

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So what relevance does your opinion have here? Sounds like you should stick to car shows and stuff like that.

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I never said it would happen right away but if you kept track of things that NHRA has been doing you would see what I'm saying. The NHRA can and will do whatever they want at the drop of a hat. The management of NHRA does not give a poop about you or your class racing. They just want to slowly change the events so they do not need tech people and have a show to entertain the spectators. who knows how to check an engine, Why do you think they have let rules slide into a trash can since 1985. Look at the age of stock and S/S racers of today. Try a car show sometime and you might find people who love what they are doing and do not have to beat themselves up to enjoy it. I raced a couple of Corvettes before the SS/IA Camaro and spent a small fortune. I won a few races back then but every year it cost me more and more. I also did cylinder heads for guys that held the NHRA records back in the 70's but even as the side business grew I got tired of having my dinner taste like cast iron. Oh well enjoy being pushed aside by the Pros and now it seems like T/D, T/Sportsman, the 90 classes and the circus acts will be taking over in the future. I'm done with this thread.

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The 90 classes and Top will n e v e r push aside Stock, Superstock, or Comp. .90 and the Top classes are easy for NHRA to police and collect. The Pros are on the fence watching Stock, SS , Comp and the Top classes because they are fast and still entertaining! You raced and sounds like you had some fun so why come on here and poo poo the guys and gals??
I think you are bored and need to sell the cruiser and get back in the seat that you miss!

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Somebody likes digging up old threads... ^^ guess he’s bored..

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Is it time for D and above classes to be allowed to run 10.5 tires ?? 😊

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So what bracket racers will take over the S S/S classes at National events and even divisionals?
If bracket races are drawn to races with big money payouts and lower entry fees than our races, why would they come to NHRA races to pay more, be here more days, to race one race for the weekend and have less payout?

The math doesn't add up. They ain't paying 20,000.00 to have 60 cars race at a national event.

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You do know that truestart gives the 1st racer a greenlight even if they are red and then stays green if faster driver goes more red. So why would they adjust if they did not know what 1st racer did

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Go to weather based horsepower hits, not just ET. Been using et only since beginning of time. Time to get in the 21st century and base HP adjustments on weather conditions and performance. I think I remember a 340 combo? killing the index in canada in the fall one year. Everybody was fast, but car was driven too far in killer conditions.

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Isn't that what the mineshaft rule is for?

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. Sure, as soon as they allow the SLOWER Stockers to DEEPSTAGE again.....

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I believe there was NOT a Mineshaft rule back them.

Moved my 340 from 310 HP to 314HP.

That is more than the Aluminum Head Combo at 311HP.

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Even if a race is "mineshaft" runs faster than -1.200 under result in automatic horsepower.

Mineshaft just does away with runs faster than -1.000 being counted as review triggers.

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Ok got it!

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This is the best of the Best--Bring back stock rules and enforce them!!:eek:

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I think they should all run Casslers recaps 7 inch--back to basics! ;)

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If qualifying is on an 80 degree Friday and then it is 50 degrees during Saturday eliminations and everyone is going 1.00 second under does mineshaft rule still revert to the Friday qualifying sheet or do they look to see if the half the field goes .85 under in Saturday eliminations to determine that?

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Qualifying only counts towards mineshaft.

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If a race goes mineshaft no runs are entered in the Q or E data bases for that race. It’s like the race never happened for that category. -1.20 runs always count for adjustments on Tuesday.
That how I understand the rules.

Re: What Stock rules would you change?
 

What Larry said is how I understand It. As far as changing the rules how about leave it alone! Seems to me Every year about this time everyone with a odd ball stocker wants to skew the rules to advance their personal agenda. Enough FLAME ON

Mark Madison

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No prep stock!

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Vegas is mine shaft after one hit. 61 cars so it splits at 31 with #32 -854 under

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Define a Mineshaft Day?
Guessing well below Zero DA


This is the ISA Definition of DA at Sea Level
International Standard Atmosphere(ISA)

Sea level (0 ft. (0km)) altitude,
Temperature 59 degrees F (+15c)
Barometer of 29.92 inHg).

My thinking is set a rule.
Such as running 1.20 under at Zero DA or Higher be subject to the rules.

Be interesting seeing National Record post with DA, track and day.

We have the technology to do this.
Should help keep the definition and ruling consistent.

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Looks like Vegas has after 1st Q, 34 cars that are -.85 or more under.

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Dan it’s about performance not weather conditions.

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Yes it is about weather conditions.
Why are you talking about mineshaft weather conditions?
7 tenths performance difference from hot miserable day to mineshaft.