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mbaird 02-07-2013 08:55 PM
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This has been a great read.....

So... I work for a luxury car dealer in Boise and last night I had a customer stop in to look at a used Tahoe. Somehow we got around to talking about old cars and I mentioned that I still owned my 1st car... a 70 Charger with a bigblock.. and he says he used to have a Hemi Cuda'.... I asked what year ? He says '68... I think "yeah right"... not another one of these guys.... I asked if it was Black thinking I would trip him up.. He says "only the fenders and the hood...because they were fiberglass... WOW !!!
What was your name again ? .... Jerry Taylor he says... Now I'm excited !! I meet some high end people at this job but an original owner of a BO23 trumps them all....The car was "Gentle Ben" ...
I didn't move to Idaho until around 83 but I have heard about the car from mopar circles and racing at Firebird.
He said that he also ran the 1st funny car in Id . A 68 Barracuda...Apparently he ran the west coast circuit ...but most of you already know that.

He said last he knew the car was in MN. Which is interesting since that is where I grew up and just went racing with my brother at BIR
( DonneyBrook to some) last July.

I will ask him next time we talk if he has any pics from the day

Charlie A 02-07-2013 09:55 PM
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http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/10.../2843519/1.jpg

And the F/C:

http://www.firebirdonline.com/blast_...FTP8_07_11.jpg

mbaird 02-07-2013 10:33 PM
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That's great.....thanks ...
I think I read that article or a reprint of it long ago.

Paul Ceasrine 02-10-2013 05:26 PM
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Don Grotheer (In 1969 he was running in SS/BA)

Here at the 1969 Indy Nationals

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.46366...58531&pid=15.1

Charlie A 02-10-2013 05:57 PM
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If this is the Patelle Dart, has it ever been located?http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3775/89483704.jpg

Another post stated it went out west....but where?

Charlie A 02-10-2013 09:33 PM
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Dart Vader link.(Florida pics)
http://assets2.hubgarage.com/mygarag...vehicles/17438

Gives restoration history but not the original owner.

http://hubgarage.s3.amazonaws.com/ph...002_detail.jpg

Who's was this originally?

JCShiels 02-11-2013 01:04 PM
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About 10-11 years ago there was a Jerry Norton that had a black LO23 Dart that he won "best of show" at a employee/customer parking lot carshow in Oak Park Michigan. The magazine photo that I have shows a extreamly clean looking car with no obvious modifications except the addition of front side-marker lights and dog-dish hubcaps (did they come with them?) on steel wheels. Does anybody know if this car is accounted for? The article does not say what transmission it had.

HEMIDARTDAVE 02-11-2013 04:41 PM
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There was a black Dart from FLA and a black Dart from MI that I was interested in purchasing. I found out that both of those particular cars that I found were rebodys, so I quickly moved on in my search.

Charlie A 02-11-2013 07:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HEMIDARTDAVE (Post 368733)
There was a black Dart from FLA and a black Dart from MI that I was interested in purchasing. I found out that both of those particular cars that I found were rebodys, so I quickly moved on in my search.
Found that reference chasing the whereabouts of the Johnny Rivers Hemi Dart.

68hemiss 02-11-2013 10:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 368601)
If this is the Patelle Dart, has it ever been located?http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3775/89483704.jpg

Another post stated it went out west....but where?
This is the Joe Patelle Dart- no - it has not been located as of yet

Mark J
68 Hemi S/S Registry

68hemiss 02-11-2013 10:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JCShiels (Post 368713)
About 10-11 years ago there was a Jerry Norton that had a black LO23 Dart that he won "best of show" at a employee/customer parking lot carshow in Oak Park Michigan. The magazine photo that I have shows a extreamly clean looking car with no obvious modifications except the addition of front side-marker lights and dog-dish hubcaps (did they come with them?) on steel wheels. Does anybody know if this car is accounted for? The article does not say what transmission it had.
I don't want to get into any arguments about re-bodied cars but I put the history together on the Norton Dart -an original MSO still exists. The car was tubbed in the 70-80's and later the rear floorpans were replaced. Note that some of the original owners put front side marker lights in the fenders. The original owner of this car did as well.
Mark J
68 Hemi S/S Registry

mike s 02-12-2013 01:13 PM
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Norton's car is legit.It did have very heavy floor pan (possibly wrong pan Cuda) and tub work. Originaly the Hustlin Hemi car 4 spd car.

bobbyboy 02-12-2013 01:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Jordan (Post 319789)
Got ahold of my grandfather's scrapbooks today. They've been squirreled away inside a closet at his house for 30+ years. This clipping is from National Dragster and there's a copy of it in one of the scrapbooks I've got here.

I'll post more pictures of the Dart when I get a chance to scan them. I've got a bunch.

Is there an "original hemi barracuda information" thread somewhere? Compared to the Dart I've got WAY more pictures of the two Barracudas he owned. I feel like I stumbled on buried treasure. Pictures of all 5 of the original Hemi cars he owned over the years (2 Belvederes, 2 Barracudas, 1 Dart).
Jarad , I am the owner of the Circus car that you granpa raced at SIR [Seattle Int Raceway] I would love to see some of your pictures from back in the day. I am trying to figure out what paint sceme to use , I like the paint from 1985 . I believe your granpa was the most successful with the car , am I right? You can call me at 253-261-1198 or email me at fastcatsexcavating@comcast.net . I would also love to hear from your granpa , Harry , he is welcome to call me anytime.

JCShiels 02-12-2013 05:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 68hemiss (Post 368777)
I don't want to get into any arguments about re-bodied cars but I put the history together on the Norton Dart -an original MSO still exists. The car was tubbed in the 70-80's and later the rear floorpans were replaced. Note that some of the original owners put front side marker lights in the fenders. The original owner of this car did as well.
Mark J
68 Hemi S/S Registry
Thanks Mark,
The article I have indicates that it was original Hurst car, I did not remember it being discused on this thread and did not know if you were aware of it.
Jim Shiels

Liteweight 02-12-2013 09:57 PM
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I'm going to throw this out there, hoping someone will bite on it.
There was a Hemi Dart that was running around the east coast area that the owner/car was known as "Two Scoop Lido". The nickname of "Two Scoop" came from the fact of the car having a tunnel ram installed & a hood scoop that was attached ON TOP of the original S/S hood scoop. The name "Lido" I'm quessing was the guys nickname????
Anyone able to help me with this????. Any & all suggestions appreciated

Fiqured it's been awhile since I posted a pic of my unknown soldier, so here's one of my favorites with the one & only Mr. Norm.

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...rlisle2006.jpg

bobbyboy 02-12-2013 11:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mbaird (Post 368230)
This has been a great read.....

So... I work for a luxury car dealer in Boise and last night I had a customer stop in to look at a used Tahoe. Somehow we got around to talking about old cars and I mentioned that I still owned my 1st car... a 70 Charger with a bigblock.. and he says he used to have a Hemi Cuda'.... I asked what year ? He says '68... I think "yeah right"... not another one of these guys.... I asked if it was Black thinking I would trip him up.. He says "only the fenders and the hood...because they were fiberglass... WOW !!!
What was your name again ? .... Jerry Taylor he says... Now I'm excited !! I meet some high end people at this job but an original owner of a BO23 trumps them all....The car was "Gentle Ben" ...



I didn't move to Idaho until around 83 but I have heard about the car from mopar circles and racing at Firebird.
He said that he also ran the 1st funny car in Id . A 68 Barracuda...Apparently he ran the west coast circuit ...but most of you already know that.

He said last he knew the car was in MN. Which is interesting since that is where I grew up and just went racing with my brother at BIR
( DonneyBrook to some) last July.

I will ask him next time we talk if he has any pics from the day
My name is Bob Leenstra , I own Gentile Ben , alias De-Frank - Cohen
, Harry Holton , Mike Brewer etc . If you see Jerry again can you give him my ph # 253-261-1198 . The car is in Seattle WA. I also own the Sam Auxier Pro-Stock Ultra 1969 Mustang [red white & blue] that ran with the Sox & Martin Cuda & Grumpy Jenkins Camaro & the Nelson Ekdah factory backed Boss 429 Mustang . Somebody said the original eng for Gentile Ben is floating around somwhere , if anybody knows about this car feel free to call me anytime . This is a great site.

bobbyboy 02-12-2013 11:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mbaird (Post 368230)
This has been a great read.....

So... I work for a luxury car dealer in Boise and last night I had a customer stop in to look at a used Tahoe. Somehow we got around to talking about old cars and I mentioned that I still owned my 1st car... a 70 Charger with a bigblock.. and he says he used to have a Hemi Cuda'.... I asked what year ? He says '68... I think "yeah right"... not another one of these guys.... I asked if it was Black thinking I would trip him up.. He says "only the fenders and the hood...because they were fiberglass... WOW !!!
What was your name again ? .... Jerry Taylor he says... Now I'm excited !! I meet some high end people at this job but an original owner of a BO23 trumps them all....The car was "Gentle Ben" ...



I didn't move to Idaho until around 83 but I have heard about the car from mopar circles and racing at Firebird.
He said that he also ran the 1st funny car in Id . A 68 Barracuda...Apparently he ran the west coast circuit ...but most of you already know that.

He said last he knew the car was in MN. Which is interesting since that is where I grew up and just went racing with my brother at BIR
( DonneyBrook to some) last July.

I will ask him next time we talk if he has any pics from the day
My name is Bob Leenstra , I own Gentile Ben , alias De-Frank - Cohen
, Harry Holton , Mike Brewer etc . If you see Jerry again can you give him my ph # 253-261-1198 . The car is in Seattle WA. I also own the Sam Auxier Pro-Stock Ultra 1969 Mustang [red white & blue] that ran with the Sox & Martin Cuda & Grumpy Jenkins Camaro & the Nelson Ekdah factory backed Boss 429 Mustang . Somebody said the original eng for Gentile Ben is floating around somwhere , if anybody knows about this car feel free to call me anytime . This is a great site.

Charlie A 02-13-2013 08:44 AM
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Great read here on old New York street racers :

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=280240

There are a couple of references in here to the "Cross Bay Dart".
I have not been able to find any more than that.
Is this a legit LO23 or something else all together?

Does it have any relevance here?

Charlie A 02-13-2013 02:03 PM
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Daryl, here's a good pic of two in a single shot:

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...8&d=1360341988


Looks like they had already lost the low hanging glass-paks in this shot.

Charlie A 02-13-2013 09:19 PM
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Two I do not remember seeing here. But we have been here a while!

Dean Tait. Said on one site to be the Johnny Rivers Dart:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3078038

Craft(or Croft) and Bishop.
Draglist shows a Lynnwood Craft from Vinson, Virginia in a 68 Dart. Maybe this is that one?

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3077940

Joe Edge. Arlington TX. Is this possibly a converted 68?

http://www.draglist.com/draglist/adm...e.jpg&full=yes

Charlie A 02-13-2013 09:30 PM
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Maybe another or two as I find 'em:
Hmmmm, 67 grille and no side marker lights on rear quarters?

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3078068

Bill Welker, Clarksville TN. 4 speed

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3078238

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3078192

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3078137
Wonder who that is in the other lane???

Sorry if any are repeats. Found 'em in an old topic over on MoParts.com.and twincityoutlaws.

FED 387 02-13-2013 10:38 PM
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the 2 cars in the pic below the want ad and the blue/orange Speed Shop dart pics were taken @ Union Grove, WI

Charlie A 02-13-2013 10:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FED 387 (Post 369062)
the 2 cars in the pic below the want ad and the blue/orange Speed Shop dart pics were taken @ Union Grove, WI
Just noticed the same two trees in the background. Never would have given it a second look. Good eye!


I hope no one thinks I am "over posting" here. The original intent of identifying Liteweight's Dart has become one of the best reference points for Hemi Darts on the net.

I get in search mode sometimes. (therapy away from work)

One day some random picture is going to find the clue we need to identify Daryl's Dart.

Paul Ceasrine 02-16-2013 08:43 PM
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Bill Flynn postcard

http://images.cloud.worthpoint.com/w...dc246bdfc7.jpg

TOM KASCH 02-18-2013 03:44 PM
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scans from my books.

TOM KASCH 02-18-2013 04:29 PM
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a few more from the Factory Lightweights book.

TOM KASCH 02-18-2013 09:05 PM
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a few more for tonight.
Having trouble resizeing my scans to fit.

Charlie A 02-19-2013 09:31 AM
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http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1361235488

Liteweight 02-19-2013 11:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOM KASCH (Post 369786)
a few more for tonight.
Having trouble resizeing my scans to fit.
Hey Tom
Thanx for sharing the great pictures from your collection.Easiest way of posting larger pictures is to open an online picture account like photobucket.
http://s1115.beta.photobucket.com/
Upload from your saved pix on your computer onto it, then it's just copy & paste from that site onto any forum.No resizing to fit format. Real easy man, even a guy as computer illiterit (see can't even spell that right) as I am, can do it. Charlie A taught me that one.
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/HPIM0611.jpg

liteweight

TOM KASCH 02-19-2013 11:26 AM
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Tryed bucket once didnt have luck with it, Tom Kasch photos

TOM KASCH 02-19-2013 02:23 PM
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More from the 60's

TOM KASCH 02-19-2013 02:54 PM
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Charlie check out how I loaded pictures in 70's pro stock list, It's not right . cannt upload a full picture.

TOM KASCH 02-19-2013 04:14 PM
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No box under picture, bu ton left is a box with img left clicked it & copy doesnt come up . Clicked copy & it didnt copy the picture.

Liteweight 02-19-2013 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TOM KASCH (Post 369890)
No box under picture, bu ton left is a box with img left clicked it & copy doesnt come up . Clicked copy & it didnt copy the picture.
OK
When you left click in that box, does it highlight to blue?

liteweight

TOM KASCH 02-19-2013 04:32 PM
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no, a light yellow

try it your self.
http://s719.beta.photobucket.com/?postlogin=true

Liteweight 02-19-2013 04:59 PM
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When you left click, & it turns yellow, does it say "copied"?
I can't get into your account unless you make a file public, then forward that page here.

liteweight

TOM KASCH 02-19-2013 05:32 PM
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yes


http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...aa1969Indy.jpg
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...ow1965INdy.jpg

http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...SCARWINTER.jpg

Liteweight 02-19-2013 08:11 PM
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Xcellant. It took me awhile to grab onto it, also.

Pictures @ full size are way gooder. Looking forward to see what you have in your collection from over the years.

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...pt03JPG595.jpg

Charlie A 02-19-2013 08:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 369931)
Xcellant. It took me awhile to grab onto it, also.

Pictures @ full size are way gooder. Looking forward to see what you have in your collection from over the years.

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...pt03JPG595.jpg
Great job Teacher !!!

Just maybe he has a pic somewhere.

Someday..........

Liteweight 02-19-2013 10:25 PM
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Tom
Did you spend much time @ NED 1 tracks??? E Town ???

liteweight


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