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Mike Carr 02-13-2009 12:40 PM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 105667)
I know i'm asking a lot of questions, but the more research i do the more i have.

So i'm now looking at the Ford Probe turbo car as a possibility. It is in the guide in '91 through '93 but it says NES (no engine spec). Why is it even in the guide if they don't have any specs for it?
Sean, the body is in there, so it may be used as a SS/GT, Modified car, etc. In March of 2000, I went to a Nat'l Open in Delmar Delaware with a rental car, to gain a grade point. It was a 1999 Grand Am SE four door. I had not done all my homework, and had not noticed the "NES" listed for that combination. The tech person said the car was not eligible because of the NES. When asked why the car was still in the Guide, that is the reason he gave me. Which didn't make sense to me, since four door cars (at the time) were not legal for SS/GT (at the time, 1980 and newer two doors only in GT). But, I was a nineteen year old rookie and didn't want to argue or make any waves. I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it now. I would have been perfectly happy to be allowed the grade point, make one run, and get DQ'd at fuel check. It wouldn't run the Index anyways, so it wasn't like I was going to win the race. I ended up getting my entry money back, and ran the bracket race with it. But, I believe that is the answer to your question. If I am wrong, Travis or someone I'm sure can correct me/us.

Sean Kennedy 02-13-2009 01:54 PM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 105728)
Sean, the body is in there, so it may be used as a SS/GT, Modified car, etc. In March of 2000, I went to a Nat'l Open in Delmar Delaware with a rental car, to gain a grade point. It was a 1999 Grand Am SE four door. I had not done all my homework, and had not noticed the "NES" listed for that combination. The tech person said the car was not eligible because of the NES. When asked why the car was still in the Guide, that is the reason he gave me. Which didn't make sense to me, since four door cars (at the time) were not legal for SS/GT (at the time, 1980 and newer two doors only in GT). But, I was a nineteen year old rookie and didn't want to argue or make any waves. I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it now. I would have been perfectly happy to be allowed the grade point, make one run, and get DQ'd at fuel check. It wouldn't run the Index anyways, so it wasn't like I was going to win the race. I ended up getting my entry money back, and ran the bracket race with it. But, I believe that is the answer to your question. If I am wrong, Travis or someone I'm sure can correct me/us.
Thanks Mike. I guess I have another combo to try and get added to the class guide.

Rob Lloyd 02-16-2009 04:08 PM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 105553)
It looks like minivan might be gone...

So can yo experts out there tell me what various models the turbos came in? The omnis and any of the other shelby branded models are nearly impossible to find and going up in value, so i would like to find a dodge branded turbo car.

'89 Dodge Aries 2-door with a 2.5 Turbo engine might be a contender for A/FS. Light body, same engine/trans as the Minvans, Daytonas, etc.

art leong 02-16-2009 10:05 PM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Rob Lloyd (Post 106210)
'89 Dodge Aries 2-door with a 2.5 Turbo engine might be a contender for A/FS. Light body, same engine/trans as the Minvans, Daytonas, etc.
I would stay away from A the SRT4's run that class.
The turbo's don't care much about weight. And the 2.5 is no match for them.

Rob Lloyd 02-17-2009 08:43 AM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by art leong (Post 106273)
I would stay away from A the SRT4's run that class.
The turbo's don't care much about weight. And the 2.5 is no match for them.
I dunno - if you could get an Aries/Reliant down to min weight, I bet you'd be able to run low 13's. Of course, the SRT's have run 12.9 before.

The only other car that might give an SRT a run in A/FS would be the '86 T2 GLHS.

Sean Haning 02-17-2009 08:57 AM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Rob Lloyd (Post 106314)
I dunno - if you could get an Aries/Reliant down to min weight, I bet you'd be able to run low 13's. Of course, the SRT's have run 12.9 before.

The only other car that might give an SRT a run in A/FS would be the '86 T2 GLHS.
Aries/Reliants never came from Chrysler with turbo motors to my knowledge. Also Marcus86GLHS has had his car in the 12.9x range with what he told me was a stock Garrett and no porting. A custom cal, +20's, 3" exhaust, and drag radials. Probably not legal weight and on pump gas, but it can get there I'm sure. It will be interesting to see where my "S" car ends up when finished. Reaching minimum weight won't be a problem. I'm also pretty confident the SRT's aren't showing their full hand. If the AEM is a legal setup in the car, or the use of SCT, those cars should be good for mid 12's, IMO.

Rob Lloyd 02-17-2009 12:22 PM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Haning (Post 106316)
Aries/Reliants never came from Chrysler with turbo motors to my knowledge. Also Marcus86GLHS has had his car in the 12.9x range with what he told me was a stock Garrett and no porting. A custom cal, +20's, 3" exhaust, and drag radials. Probably not legal weight and on pump gas, but it can get there I'm sure. It will be interesting to see where my "S" car ends up when finished. Reaching minimum weight won't be a problem. I'm also pretty confident the SRT's aren't showing their full hand. If the AEM is a legal setup in the car, or the use of SCT, those cars should be good for mid 12's, IMO.
1989 Dodge Class Guide has the 2-door Aries with the (unfactored) 2.5 T1 engine in it as a 15.33 lb/hp car. That would make it a fairly heavy A/FS car. But, still an interesting combo.

art leong 02-17-2009 03:49 PM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by Rob Lloyd (Post 106337)
1989 Dodge Class Guide has the 2-door Aries with the (unfactored) 2.5 T1 engine in it as a 15.33 lb/hp car. That would make it a fairly heavy A/FS car. But, still an interesting combo.
That car is carrying 165 hp not the stock 150. If someone gets serious with an SRT4 It will (has) run high 11's. The 2.5 motor is all over at about 5300. The SRT 4 can make power past 8000 it has 4 valves per hole. The stock rules allow a cam of .430 lift The cam I'm running now has .433 (modified motor)You put a cam an a good ecu in one. It would fly.

DonatoEng 02-28-2009 09:53 AM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
Rob,
You forgot my Daytona :eek: from the list.

I would look at a PT turbo with a plastic intake not the aluminum one with an auto trans.

Tim Kish 02-28-2009 11:41 AM
Re: 4 cylinder cars?
 
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Originally Posted by DonatoEng (Post 108086)
Rob,

I would look at a PT turbo with a plastic intake not the aluminum one with an auto trans.
A VERY capable combination, we ran ours at a couple IHRA races. Our concern was if we ever had to tear it apart it'd take DAYS.

How you been John?


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