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Chuck Porter 03-31-2009 01:22 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 112423)
Chuck, you are making my point! If the AHFS is going to work properly then some loopholes need to be closed.
Billy - Very sorry - If I made your point it was purely unintentional. My sarcasm must be loosing it's edge.
I'm definitely not a member of the AHFS fan club.

Happy trails,

Chuck

Ed Fernandez 03-31-2009 01:49 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Porter (Post 112409)
Ya - I can see it all now. The next thing we know NHRA will tie the AHFS system to weight. If you cross the scales and are 200 pounds heavy the slug gods will give you 5 horsepower.
Chuck
Exactly.Run your car in the wt. range for the class you are teched into.Plain and simple,end of story.

Ed F.

Sorry Chuck,you posted as I was still pecking my post.

Ed Fernandez 03-31-2009 01:57 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Lloyd (Post 112430)
Granted, this is in an odd class (with a 3lb break!). But, if I pull all of my ballast out, I can just get under the max weight for my 'natural' class (A/FS). At which point I will still be over 500lbs(!) heavier than the min weight. There is no way I can ever -legally- get the car down to min wieght (less than 2400lbs w/driver).

I ran one race in A/FS last year at 20lbs under max with -no ballast-. What happens if the scales are off a bit and I roll across at 5lbs over? Do I get tossed?
That's where common sense comes in.There are some cars that have a minimum wt. problem.Seems the manufactures got the #s wrong.An issue like that can be resolved to allow the car to be factored correctly,just takes common sense on NHRAs part.
Bob Shaws car would need to be considered a special case due to the fact it can't run as a V car.
In a way I dont envy NHRA tech,reading all the agendas coming out in all these discussions.It's
a matter of the "What's best for ME" and screw everybody else that appears.

Ed F.

Ed Fernandez 03-31-2009 02:04 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 112466)
Let's say we eliminate the HP factor and just go weight to cubic inches. There is no more refactoring of the cars then. You have to weigh what the cubic inches you are claiming, simple and easy!
Casey Miles
248H E/S ("F" the 4 HP)
Casey,that sounds like Comp.We dont want to go there do we?

Lee N,It matters when you're hiding an incorrect HP factor.

Ed F.

James Perrone 03-31-2009 02:49 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
It seems like the people piling on this thread do not seem to have the problem of an overwieght stocker BECAUSE,,,, THEY CAN"T GO FAST ENOUGH TO GET H.P.
I will use myself as an example.
Bought my car 5 yrs ago It WAS A TURD..Slow IN THE WAY .
Got my *** kicked by Tex Miller .Was not fun.Guess what.I have worked hard .
Spent the Money and then some..Now I am capable of going pretty fast..So now its a problem because I may run too heavy..You guys should worry about yourself instead of picking on people who work hard to go fast with no reward but H.P. and Weight..The problem with the Orlando deal was it was selective and not right ..You can;t change the rules as you go along..You have to treat everyone the same ..Califonia said the Tech guy was wrong Its not in the rule book..But as good racers the guys complied..

That just Sucks
Lets stick with rules in THE BOOK WE ENOUGH ON OUR HANDS
You slow guys should by some Nitrois
Tech Ain't Check ANYWAY.
My 2 cents

Stk4405 03-31-2009 03:03 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 112506)
It seems like the people piling on this thread do not seem to have the problem of an overwieght stocker BECAUSE,,,, THEY CAN"T GO FAST ENOUGH TO GET H.P.
I will use myself as an example.
Bought my car 5 yrs ago It WAS A TURD..Slow IN THE WAY .
Got my *** kicked by Tex Miller .Was not fun.Guess what.I have worked hard .
Spent the Money and then some..Now I am capable of going pretty fast..So now its a problem because I may run too heavy..You guys should worry about yourself instead of picking on people who work hard to go fast with no reward but H.P. and Weight..The problem with the Orlando deal was it was selective and not right ..You can;t change the rules as you go along..You have to treat everyone the same ..Califonia said the Tech guy was wrong Its not in the rule book..But as good racers the guys complied..

That just Sucks
Lets stick with rules in THE BOOK WE ENOUGH ON OUR HANDS
You slow guys should by some Nitrois
Tech Ain't Check ANYWAY.
My 2 cents
Great post. There are a lot of guys I know that worked hard to go fast and don't want to get horsepower so they will not hurt the other racers who run the same combo but is not as fast as they are. So they add weight to slow their cars down. The last thing they want is to get hp and then have someone across the country calling them stupid on the internet.

Billy Nees 03-31-2009 03:27 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
James, you're a smart enough guy to know how to slow your car down without using weight! The pure fact is that the weight rule is written in the book and nobody can read it. A/S is 8.00lbs. to 8.49lbs.ETC. I want to be there when the first racer shows up at the scales with a rulebook and his lawyer and says that he can weigh less than the minimum weight because the weight breaks are only guidelines and if the maximum weight doesn't matter then neither does the minimum!

Ed Wright 03-31-2009 04:37 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Why not just back up the timing, it's easier on parts than adding a couple hundred extra lbs. Cheaper too.

magnumv8 03-31-2009 05:59 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
I have been trying to get a grip on this issue myself so that I understand it and don't have a problem with weight for my combo in stock....my weight factor is 12.24 which puts me in I/SA.....12.00-12.49 weight break.....I have a classification guide from NHRA that says to take my hp factor times the 12.00 and then add 170 lbs. for the driver for my "minimum" class weight....by doing the same for the 12.49 +170 lbs. for my "maximum"....I can fax a copy of this if someone wants one, I printed it out last Jan.....because the rule book to me is a little vague....like you guys are saying about heavy for the class, I don't think all techs operate from the same page, because I have talked to Glendora and they had to check with the divisions to find out what they have doing on certain issues I have asked about.....

danny waters sr 03-31-2009 06:10 PM
Re: Overweight Stockers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danny waters sr (Post 112440)
make new weight stickers with the minimum weight and the maximum weight showing on the sticker. If you are anywhere between the two you are good to go.the slower classes with (example )22.99 and more (no maximum) how would you regulate (maximum) on those classes? ( that's another can of worms ) if you regulate all the other classes .
see above !!


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