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Let's just call ALL these factory drag cars what they are ------F/X!
The factories tried this stuff in the 60s which became S/S then F/X. at least back then they had the stones to admit it!

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My favorite quote"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!" It appears that the factories have absolute power. The door has been opened to allow the most outlandish devices to compete in stock. What next Matty boxes? Because of a poor choice of allowing Super Stock/fx cars to compete in stock, we are now seeing the demise of Stock as we have known it.

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That depends on your perspective and what side of the fence you fell on.

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Actually, I think it was the sanctioning bodies that came up with the FX classes back then.

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Hey Jeff, Is that V-10 really rated at 385 HP?

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Let's break it down.


I think that Jeff said what he said because he is getting tired of all the comments about the "rich" taking advantage of all the "poor" class racers. I feel the same way as he does.


I pretty much agree with this statement. Except, that infers that this is some great conspiracy. My personnal feeling is that we are seeing something close to what happened in the late sixties with the musclecars. There are only a few platforms this time, but look at all the combinations they are throwing out! I don't doubt that we are fixing to see a change.


I would suggest that this is a personnal attack that really doesn't help this debate at all.

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Everybody also has got to realize that besides the painfully obvious gross HP under ratings and advanced factory engineered and built driveline and chassis advancements of these particular vehicles, that's only the tip of the iceberg. With the level of onboard computer controlled function capability possibilities there's absolutely no way the sanctioning body can enforce the Stock/Super Stock rules to level the playing field with older non computer controlled vehicles. With present and potential onboard computer capabilities the sky is the limit as far as transmission, driveline, engine, fuel, et al electronically controlled variables. I really don't understand why NHRA didn't place these vehicles in a separate or FX type class and let time and factor changes sort out the eventual capabilities. Any attempt at present refactoring using current procedures is painfully slow, chasing a moving target and grossly unfair to the present body of older vehicles running in the same class. I really don't think any racer would object to these type of vehicles running in the S/SS eliminations, it's the class eliminations that's ridiculous. This coming era of computer controlled vehicles vs carburetored cars is going to be similar to the flathead/ohv (jeez am I old??) transition. Can't be done by present factoring methods. Just my 2¢ but I really sympathize with the hard working S/SS competitors who see their years of effort and work be negated by the influx of these type of vehicles.

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I hope GM doesn't go with a blower. Even the die-hard Ford fans I know are a little embarrassed by the blown mustangs. I think the v10 Challenger would be a great street car, but Ford and GM don't offer any engines of similar size, so I don't see where it even fits a class.

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Heck, even the dinosaur NASCAR is finally moving forward with EFI and distinguishable body types (Mustang, Challenger, Camry), to promote new vehicle recognition! NHRA is just leading the way.

I believe the iceburg has truelly been flipped in a new direction, with purpose.

Peter

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I'm not sure for whom I sympathize more: the racers with the "old" combos or the guys that put $100k into their "new" rides just to see the factory build a better (read: quicker) mousetrap the following year. I suppose for those that can afford to keep up with the Joneses it really doesn't matter.

To me, the idea of a package car is cheapened by the high volume of these cars that are hitting the racetrack. The package cars of the 60's are popular and valuable mainly because there aren't very many of them. Owning a Hurst car or an A990 car puts you in an exclusive club of sorts. Anyone think the '68 Dart/Cuda packages would be as popular as they are if Mother Mopar had popped out updated versions in subsequent years? Same with the '64 T-Bolt, '69 ZL1, etc...

As for this new creation, I agree with Jeff Lee: 850 hp doesn't seem the least bit impossible. The 5.7's make a little over 1.75 hp/ci. The 512" V-10 won't be as efficient as the smaller engine, but it only has to make 1.66 hp/ci to make 850. Let's rate it at 385 and call it a B/SA. Sounds about right...