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Ed Wright 12-13-2010 10:29 AM
Re: Coolest new Thing from PRI
 
Who wants to loose only a couple of rounds a season to a joke? Many run classes with very few heads ups. Not the case for B/SA, C/SA, SS/IA, SS/JA, SS/KA, and several others. Some people (maybe not the bracket racers) care about class run offs also.

X-TECH MAN 12-13-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Stewart Way (Post 227610)
Maybe not the coolest thing at PRI but the most shocking thing I saw. Jesel now has solid roller lifters for the 5.7/6.1 Hemi for SS. These are drop in lifters, no keyed bushings or machining. Just 16 lifters and 4 tie bars similar to the plastic pieces the factory used to hold the stock lifters. Ready for this....$3200.
Cheap at twice the price after spending over $100,000 for a Dodge that you cant even get tagged and registered.....LOL.

Alan Roehrich 12-13-2010 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by R Brown (Post 227602)
I'm betting they will win some races in 2011 but also they will lose races as well, based on looking back at results from 2010 I don't see it to effect anything after class runoffs. I would like an explanation as to how it effects eliminations after that. I mean how often did these headsup races with the CJs and Dps really happen once eliminations started?
A couple of very good racers with very good legitimate cars took a whipping from new cars in heads up races in later rounds, as a matter of fact.

Alan Roehrich 12-13-2010 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by herbjr (Post 227586)
So what your telling me is your are the fastest older combo at any race you go to. I dont know if you guys realize it or not but stock and SS were on their way out, at least now there is something that has a new spark to possibly keep it around a little longer. SS racing has been good to my family for 45 years, it started in 1965 and my dad has lived a very good because and it all started SS racing in the 60's. But face the music guys, you are being replaced by Top Sportsman and Top Dragster, maybe if we can get chevy to build a car then keep the factories involved we may prolong the end of an era another 20 years or so. BUT I can promise you as a former track operator Stock and SS are so far off the screen in the big picture its not funny. Give them another year to take care of it, I mean you guys werent bitching when the LT1 came out, oh wait there was no message board back then.
I never said we were the fastest. I said we were reasonably competitive at most races. We have two class wins at national events, and two class wins at the Bowling Green Open race. So yeah, we have a legitimate complaint.

The new cars will not save Stock and Super Stock. The ONLY thing that will save Stock and Super Stock is for NHRA to be run as it was originally intended to be run. By the racers, for the racers. All this crap about the new cars "saving class racing" is nothing but a joke. They've caused just as many cars to be parked as new cars have been built. They've pushed long time racers to quit or cut back their schedules.

NHRA only cares about Stock and Super Stock with regard to how much of a cash cow they can be. They do not promote the classes, they treat them like bastard step children, Hell with the exception of a couple of announcers, they damned near tell the fans to go to the concession stands and the manufacturer's midway when Stock and Super Stock run.

Another year will not take care of it. Because in another year, there will be another batch of "new combinations" that start all over again with a nice soft bogus factor. There are already a dozen combinations that were never sold for street use, and could never be registered as a street car in the guide. In another year or two, there'll be a dozen more, so long as someone crosses the right palms with silver. The new rewritten rule that completely changes the character of Stock Eliminator guarantees that so long as one or more manufacturer wants to buy dominant performance in Stock Eliminator, they can keep right on getting bogus cars in the guide as long as they want to pay the price. Stock and Super Stock are for sale to the highest bidder every month. Just wait and see what happens when the cash stops flowing.

Larry Fulton 12-13-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf (Post 227599)
Some of you guys keep wrecking the intended topic of the posts.
Pedigo, I and the larger majority on this forum agree with you.....

But I guess when you've got 1,400+ to 2,400+ posts you've really got a lot to say...
even if it's the same old ****, over, and over, and over. sarc!!

Sorry Mike, that your thread has taken such a ridiculous / un-intended turn.

R Brown 12-13-2010 11:41 AM
Re: Coolest new Thing from PRI
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 227620)
A couple of very good racers with very good legitimate cars took a whipping from new cars in heads up races in later rounds, as a matter of fact.
Ok, so how is this different from those good racers and good cars differ from them against a so-so car?

Alan Roehrich 12-13-2010 11:54 AM
Re: Coolest new Thing from PRI
 
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Originally Posted by R Brown (Post 227627)
Ok, so how is this different from those good racers and good cars differ from them against a so-so car?
Easy, a legitimate combination is a legitimate combination. Some guys will always be faster, because they're able to do things better.

Example: if Sorenson, DeArmond, Shaul, DeFrank, Ficacci, or Koppien beats us heads up, I'm okay with that. They have a legitimate combination and they worked harder or smarter than we did. No one handed them a bogus factor that was 150-200HP soft. All of those guys are faster than we are, three of them run the same combination we do. They earned their advantage over us. No one gave it to them.

R Brown 12-13-2010 11:56 AM
Re: Coolest new Thing from PRI
 
I understand, however wasn't it the same way when the L?-1's came out? For awhile anyway

R Brown 12-13-2010 12:01 PM
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Alan, I'm not trying to agure( ? ) with anyone, just trying to understand. I run in NMRA assoc. with several friends from Div. 3 running both stock & SS I try to keep up so I can converse with them and not be tooo stupid sounding.

Dgal 12-13-2010 12:06 PM
Re: Coolest new Thing from PRI
 
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Originally Posted by R Brown (Post 227632)
I understand, however wasn't it the same way when the L?-1's came out? For awhile anyway
They weren't 100 to 150 hp soft. Maybe 50, but they were registered, ran on pump gas, met Federal emission standards, and readily available to everyone even for the first 3 years. We are beyond 3 years for the Drag Pak/Cobra Jets.

The Drag Paks will soon be in the same class as the Cobra Jets and rendered ineffective in a heads up. The Cobra Jets have them covered by as much as they want. A small specification modification by the factory on one of those combos and here we go again....F or G classes on up will be affected.

I am still laughing about whoever made the comment of the Cobra Jet fitting pure stock. That was great!

Don


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