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goinbroke2 06-30-2011 12:07 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 266592)
When Chevy introduces their special cars, then all will be ok. I know yall feel left out in the cold, and all you bowtie guys and gals are depressed, so I spoke to my daughters who are licenesed mental health professionals, they suggested large amounts of drugs or alcohol to ease the feeling of helplessness. Till then chill, other than class (which we will see how that works this year) , or the very occasional heads up, it's a bracket race with specs. Don't do like the Greeks and riot in the streets.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Jeff your mean! Some can't help it if they're on the losing team! LOL

Seriously, I see where Alan is coming from and I agree. If they would build stripper cars to entice the kids then technically that might help class racing more than a few paper cars to a select few individuals. On the other hand, little old ladies can't cry on the evening news about their 16 year old dead after street racing a stripped down hotrod they just bought him if ford doesn't build/sell them to the public.

Paper cars designed for the track serves 2 purposes for the factories.
1) Gives racers new combo's (and the factories $$$)
2) No liabilities on the streets (I'm suing ford for selling me a car that will go 150mph or is stripped down with no airbags etc)

I too would like to see v-6 and GT mustangs in the guide. (along with about a dozen other fords.....now it's "want to build a ford..here's your choice..mustang". That sucks)

Ed Wright 06-30-2011 12:58 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Surely you guys are just being funny. You don't really think it matters to anybody about the brand of a new bogus combo they have to race heads up, do you? Not everybody is so ate up with the name on the valve cover. Some of us have owned and raced cars from all three mfgrs.

X-TECH MAN 06-30-2011 01:27 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 266615)
Surely you guys are just being funny. You don't really think it matters to anybody about the brand of a new bogus combo they have to race heads up, do you? Not everybody is so ate up with the name on the valve cover. Some of us have owned and raced cars from all three mfgrs.
X's 2. I know I have.

201250 06-30-2011 05:24 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
I've been out of the game for quite sometime, But raced Hemi and Max-wedge cars in the late 60's till early 80's and I figured the Mustang was my ticket to take into retirement and race stock again. As it rturns out the only option we have is NMRA and that's just not my cup of tea.

ALMACK 06-30-2011 05:47 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 201250 (Post 266662)
I've been out of the game for quite sometime, But raced Hemi and Max-wedge cars in the late 60's till early 80's and I figured the Mustang was my ticket to take into retirement and race stock again. As it rturns out the only option we have is NMRA and that's just not my cup of tea.
There is a group of guys trying to get the NMRA to create a new class for the 5.0 4v Coyote.

However, it will be a heads-up class based on the Pure Street rules. It would be open to all 1979 and later Fords with the new 5.0 4v.
The chassis rules are similar to Stock Eliminator.
The 2011-2012 Mustang GTs are already allowed in Real Street.

Jeff Teuton 06-30-2011 09:34 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Sure it matters if it is not a bowtie. Those guys got that thing burned into their forehead, and really can't stand it for another brand to go fast. 1968, dejavue again. Most of yall ain't old enough to have been through it back then. Some things don't change, and the bowtie thing is one.

Ed Wright 06-30-2011 10:18 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Yeah, Jeff, I'm too young to remember. LOL. Had two Fords, an Olds and a '48 Plymouth with a Hemi in it before I ever owned a Chevy. Starting in '60. I'm as old as you. Remember?

Thomas 07-02-2011 07:55 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
The engine you have pictured there is NOT a paper engine. The dead give away is on the description tag. It clearly states it's a Laguna Package engine which means it's a BOSS 302 longblock.

FWIW The new 5.0L 4V GT engine is a Coyote.
The BOSS 302 4V engine is a Roadrunner.

Also the proposed NMRA class known as Coyote Stock (C/S) would be limited to a FRPP crate engine with the M-6017-A50XX control pack. No F.A.S.T., BS3 or DFI VII, or ANY kind of tuning in general. No blueprinting, no anything. Also the driveline would be restricted to diaphragm style clutches and street type boxes (Tremec). (Which I think is stupid, so many racers are sick of the NMRA's stance against Long clutches, but that's a gripe for another day).

Suspension wise it would be stock type rear suspension, 26x10.5 tire, no coil overs or mini tubs. Tubular front replacement suspensions allowed.

BTW Why doesn't the NHRA allow these types of front suspensions but will let you convert a Cobalt to RWD?? They are a direct bolt in replacement. That makes no damn sense.

Anyway one last thing the only place this engine is legal in heads up is Factory stock nOT Real Street. It would dominate any other class other than H/S or SSO/Pro 10.5 (6-8 second classes)

Thomas 07-02-2011 08:00 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 266076)
Cool thing about the Boss longblock is that anyone can order it. I got a quote of $ 6400 delivered and that included the $ 1,000 core charge.
If you got that price from one of the FordParts.com sites it's listed wrong. The BOSS is around $11K and that's my cost as a dealer at 10% over cost.
A Coyote crate engine on the other hand sells for $5899.00

kdanner 07-02-2011 11:39 PM
Re: New Ford 5.0 On The Books
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas (Post 267097)
The engine you have pictured there is NOT a paper engine. The dead give away is on the description tag. It clearly states it's a Laguna Package engine which means it's a BOSS 302 longblock.

FWIW The new 5.0L 4V GT engine is a Coyote.
The BOSS 302 4V engine is a Roadrunner.

Also the proposed NMRA class known as Coyote Stock (C/S) would be limited to a FRPP crate engine with the M-6017-A50XX control pack. No F.A.S.T., BS3 or DFI VII, or ANY kind of tuning in general. No blueprinting, no anything. Also the driveline would be restricted to diaphragm style clutches and street type boxes (Tremec). (Which I think is stupid, so many racers are sick of the NMRA's stance against Long clutches, but that's a gripe for another day).

Suspension wise it would be stock type rear suspension, 26x10.5 tire, no coil overs or mini tubs. Tubular front replacement suspensions allowed.

BTW Why doesn't the NHRA allow these types of front suspensions but will let you convert a Cobalt to RWD?? They are a direct bolt in replacement. That makes no damn sense.

Anyway one last thing the only place this engine is legal in heads up is Factory stock nOT Real Street. It would dominate any other class other than H/S or SSO/Pro 10.5 (6-8 second classes)
The engine pictured there is my engine, I know what it is. What has been put into the guide is neither a GT nor a Boss production engine. Both production engines are 11:1 compression, not 12.5:1. Neither has a 12MM lift exhaust cam, the GT is 11MM, and the Boss 13MM.

And yes the pricing on the Boss longblock has been raised significantly now. I paid $6133 back in February.


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