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treekiller 09-01-2014 09:50 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Tracy read the last line of post number 45

Stocker 2 09-01-2014 09:53 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
This coming Tuesday morning five Indy racers will be penalized with a horsepower increase for going more than 1.20 under the index because they ran in their real class. The sixteen other racers who qualified more than 1.20 under the index but chose to run one of the Factory Stock classes get no slap on the wrist at all.

Chris Hill 09-01-2014 09:57 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 443946)
I suppose that's okay, if you want to be competitive by outspending your competition and having the rules changed to suit you.

If you can be happy with that, and proud of it, well, good for you.
Agree 100% with Alan.

Only outspending your competition to win is a very hollow satisfaction.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to call our decal maker for my "P's & Q's". (Wonder if anyone will get that joke...)

farmco r/sa 09-01-2014 10:11 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris hill (Post 443988)
agree 100% with alan.

Only outspending your competition to win is a very hollow satisfaction.

Now if you'll excuse me, i need to call our decal maker for my "p's & q's". (wonder if anyone will get that joke...)
lol !!

Alan Roehrich 09-01-2014 10:13 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 443976)
OK I am up -- got the kind of responses I expected. from the same three keyboard jockeys.

You guys do not want any change that impacts 40 year old cars.

How in the heck can the rules stand still with all that is going on in performance increases.

I wish we were in our own eliminator - but I do that would stop the whining.

At the end of the day - who really cares - it is not our game - it belongs to NHRA and the "big 3" - like it or not - it is about selling cars - not race cars.

Guys find someone to harp on that really cares - I just decided to break my pact with other late model fast car owners and address you guys - they were right - none of you would ever step up and ever agree with change - to stuck in the past.

Go to NHRA an get the rules changed - so far the old cars have been dismissed (mostly).

Say to NHRA formally what you are saying on here - which does not count.

Or maybe we should stop racing our cars to show our displeasure with how the 40 year old cars have been screwed.

Have a great rest of the holiday.



Ron
Oh, we agree with change Ron. It is the fact that you want everything changed in your favor that is the problem. You want cars already in the class kicked out so you can have your own playground. The new cars got a free pass with the AHFS, that's the sort of change you want.

The rules could stay the same with no problems. There was zero need to change the rules of Stock Eliminator due to "performance increases". New production street cars could have been listed in the guide and raced with no problems. And then the factory race cars could have been put in their own Factory Experimental class, where they belong.

And yeah, if your store bought "I mortgaged my house and spent my life savings to buy fast" car was in its own class, Factory Experimental, along with the rest of them, the complaining would stop.

You'll excuse me now, it's Labor Day, I have to go labor in my garage to make money to pay for racing parts.

farmco r/sa 09-01-2014 10:13 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stocker 2 (Post 443986)
This coming Tuesday morning five Indy racers will be penalized with a horsepower increase for going more than 1.20 under the index because they ran in their real class. The sixteen other racers who qualified more than 1.20 under the index but chose to run one of the Factory Stock classes get no slap on the wrist at all.
Ya this doesn't seem right.

Bruce Noland 09-01-2014 10:28 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Pact with the new cars? That's probably because most of the new car folks understand that there is no defense for the indefensible. Why stir up a fuss when they are getting what they want?

Chris Hill 09-01-2014 10:47 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 443976)
OK I am up -- got the kind of responses I expected. from the same three keyboard jockeys.

You guys do not want any change that impacts 40 year old cars.

How in the heck can the rules stand still with all that is going on in performance increases.

I wish we were in our own eliminator - but I do that would stop the whining.

At the end of the day - who really cares - it is not our game - it belongs to NHRA and the "big 3" - like it or not - it is about selling cars - not race cars.

Guys find someone to harp on that really cares - I just decided to break my pact with other late model fast car owners and address you guys - they were right - none of you would ever step up and ever agree with change - to stuck in the past.

Go to NHRA an get the rules changed - so far the old cars have been dismissed (mostly).

Say to NHRA formally what you are saying on here - which does not count.

Or maybe we should stop racing our cars to show our displeasure with how the 40 year old cars have been screwed.

Have a great rest of the holiday.



Ron
Ron, I'm not sure your in the "late model fast car owners" club.

Evaluating DRC, your car is too slow to qualify at Indy.

Guess you'll need to buy a Hellcat engine so you can MAYBE go fast again.

Larry Fulton 09-01-2014 10:47 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by john leichtamer jr (Post 443873)
to bad farmer & marty are gone, it would be a whole different story.

Hammer
Agreed!.... Wally & Farmer & Marty

Mike Carr 09-01-2014 10:55 AM
Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 
Why is there even the thought to legislate 90% of the cars currently in Stock (2007-older cars) out, so the 10% of new (2008-newer) cars can have their own playground? Seems backwards to me. Put the F/X cars in their own Class(es) and leave Stock alone. All the F/X cars in one class--the factories will have their own Class with no AHFS or penalties, can run all-out and get all the ink.


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