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69Cobra 10-30-2014 09:04 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
So does this mean that the FS cars will be regulated by the AHFS?

Jeff Teuton 10-30-2014 09:14 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Kidding about what?

Ernie Neal 10-30-2014 09:21 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 451482)
Wanna make it fair for qualifying? The only race it's an issue at is Indy. Make it all run 150 car field, with 5 alternates (if someone wants to make the trip and hope for breakage or whatever).That goes for Stock and Super Stock. It's so easy even a cave man can figger it out.

heck no, you got 23 other NHRA events like that. Keep Indy the way it is 180 entries 128 qualifieds. The Gators use to be a class event for stock and superstock, get it fired up again.

Ernie Neal
SS354

Ed Wright 10-30-2014 09:23 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 451485)
Kidding about what?

Picking on the MOPAR guys. Ford & GM both have new engines out for lower classes. Just not a lot running yet.

Jeff Teuton 10-30-2014 09:44 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Ed, just saying, sweeping regulations for 5% of the cars and making all those new classes make no sense. Need a little more purpose than that. It just so happens that almost all the cars affected are Mopars. And having all the new classes combine Stick and Auto and not the regular classes is not real equitable. However I assume the HP factors will remain the same in both Stock and Super Stock. I'm just not sure having two identical cars except for the transmission at different weights is parity. On that note, I really have respect for the 3 pedal guys. That thing is a real chore. I didn't know SS was broken.

71mavlouisville 10-30-2014 09:46 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Personally think the rule change in CS sucks.

Best runs ever (as far as I know off the top of my head, correct if wrong)

9.26 - Mans - Chevy
9.27 - Perno - Ford
9.28 - Bogner - Mopar

Will there be a list of accepted heads?

Same thing happened in A/ND, one brand (chevy) with a 14 degree head can go to 300 CC and flow more than 400 cfm.

This made Ford and Mopar obsolete in the class, WTF, had great parity and now only Chevy!

If anyone knows a Ford or Mopar head that can compete with this, I am in the Market.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Heads/1851...-400-CFM-.html

Kevin Panzino 10-30-2014 09:59 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 451477)
Regulating 5% of the population with sweeping changes sounds like Washington DC. I mean c'mon, even the whiners were not complaining in SS. Almost all the old cars/new motors are Mopars. There are about 5 68 Cuda/Dart that have found new life from the unregulated SS/AH. Throw in my 70 Duster(which has never won class), Nowicki, and a couple of others and this was an Anti Mopar rule. The numbers don't lie. The sole purpose of the 360 in the DPs in 2009 was to give Mopar racers somewhat access to new parts and lower the cost of SS for the SB Mopar. So much for that. I don't think it was broken, but I am not a smart man.

Jeff, there were a few similarly underfactored Cobra Jet combos in GT as well.
And regarding the old cars with new engines, that was never the intent of GT anyway.

All that being said, I wouldn't have cared in the least if the new engines were factored properly, or 'got factored' properly in a reasonable amount of time. Since they were not, and still haven't been, I'm quite glad to see them in their own class.

Ed Wright 10-30-2014 10:05 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Jeff, if you had a seriously thrashed car that suddenly could not run within a couple of tenths heads up against a new car that just got put together, you would think it was broken. I'm sure, from your view, everything was fine. :-)
Lloyd told me how fast his 360" DP could go in SS/IA, not hard to calculate what it could go if dropped down in SS/JA, and I would have to spot him 40 lbs. Just about everybody I know feels like the 360" is the absolute softest deal out there. I saw the specs on the new 5.0L CJ also. Looks even worse. Or, better. Depends on if you own one. LOL
If they were just rated kinds close to begin with.....
Probably a lot cheaper for me if they had left things alone. Guess I'll go one more year.

Larry Hill 10-30-2014 10:07 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Based on how fast the showdown cars went in Vegas, an altitude adjusted track. it looks to me that a .6 second reduction in index for FS/A and FS/B would be correct. That would bring the winners of FS/A and FS/B to about -.95 under. So if they work on there cars this winter.... the good ones will be -1.05 under at Indy.

We will all be disappointed if the indexes are so soft that all of the byes will go to all of the 2008 and up FS cars.

Ed Wright 10-30-2014 10:11 PM

Re: 2015 Rules
 
Larry, to keep their race sponsors happy, you can bet the indexes will be at least as soft as they are now. About all we will gain is no heads ups with them.


If I hit the Powerball, I'm still going to fix that 360". LOL!!


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