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Dwight Southerland 02-07-2016 08:48 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 494740)
Doesn't seem like such a big problem and hardly worth the fuss.

Unless you are on the losing end of one of those situations.

Bruce Noland 02-07-2016 09:11 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 494779)
Unless you are on the losing end of one of those situations.

Rules count. I doubt there were any complaints about this issue at Mike's race. Also, find it amusing how non racers try to impact the way we race.

Larry Hill 02-07-2016 09:23 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
The red light needs to happen in real time without delay. If I go red I want to know so I can do something positive on the run: 1. save my equipment for the next heads-up run where the worst red light looses, 2. manage averages for the AHFS, 3. test, and 4. practice driving the stripe.


If the other lane wants to see if I went red let them. Next time we race and I'm green they will be looking and more than likely be late and I will be in the next round.


Crosstalk is that electronic deep staging and how is that a .5 tree?


So the racers don't want to race by the rules, nothing new.

Bobby Fazio 02-07-2016 09:35 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
I think it will happen more now that no one knows the light situation until after both cars leave the line. Previously, if you had a 13 second stocker red lighting against a cobrajet before he has even gotten on his two step, the cobrajet might not care and end up cutting a .150 light. Now the game is changed and the fast car always has to assume the slow car is green, just like assuming the black jack dealer is hiding a face card. On the flip side a slow car, now knowing that his chances of losing on the starting line have decreased, might try to hit the tree a little harder knowing in the back of his mind that the other guy just may do the same. Hopefully decimal place in reaction time goes to the ten thousandth or more in case of identical reaction times.

Bob Don 02-07-2016 09:42 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 494740)
Doesn't seem like such a big problem and hardly worth the fuss.

A voice of sanity.

Dragsinger 02-07-2016 09:47 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio (Post 494787)
I think it will happen more now that no one knows the light situation until after both cars leave the line. Previously, if you had a 13 second stocker red lighting against a cobrajet before he has even gotten on his two step, the cobrajet might not care and end up cutting a .150 light. Now the game is changed and the fast car always has to assume the slow car is green, just like assuming the black jack dealer is hiding a face card. On the flip side a slow car, now knowing that his chances of losing on the starting line have decreased, might try to hit the tree a little harder knowing in the back of his mind that the other guy just may do the same. Hopefully decimal place in reaction time goes to the ten thousandth or more in case of identical reaction times.

My thoughts also

cicero819 02-07-2016 10:29 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
Check out our last discussion on the subject.( Re: worst red light debate, again!) I think this is the best progressive action our sport could have happen. CR

Chevy55 02-07-2016 10:55 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
This may have been discussed but my first thought was that in bracket racing the car that breaks out the least wins, the first or worst rule does not apply..

So it seems only right that the car that went red by least amount should always be declared the winner too. . JMO

MR DERBY CITY 02-07-2016 11:30 AM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
In all reality, the heads up racing guys and .90 classes have been racing like this forever.....worst Redlight loses....before you laugh , think about it...we are just a little late to the party.....no pun tended.

Michael Beard 02-07-2016 12:25 PM

Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland View Post
Doesn't seem like such a big problem and hardly worth the fuss.
Conversely, one could argue that since it's such a small percentage, why would anyone have a problem with the change? (The answer is actually one 99% of people have ignored: the cost Compulink would charge every track for the upgrade.)

For the record, I don't really care that much either way. As long as I know what the rules are when I pull in the gate, and everybody's playing by the same rules, it's fine.


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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 494785)
The red light needs to happen in real time without delay. If I go red I want to know so I can do something positive on the run: 1. save my equipment for the next heads-up run where the worst red light looses, 2. manage averages for the AHFS, 3. test, and 4. practice driving the stripe.

If you are the faster car, your red light would display instantly.

If you are the slower car, your red light would display when the faster car left. In the 'Cuda, in a worst case scenario against the fastest Factory car, this would be ~1.7 seconds into the run: just after pulling 2nd gear/just after the 60'. I'm pretty sure you don't want to lift when you're in the middle of a wheelstand.

In your really worst case scenario of driving The Truck vs the fastest Factory car, it would be less than 4.5 seconds into the run, which would be before the 330'.

I would hope that under current circumstances, you do not idle down the track after redlighting, holding up the show and burning down the pair of racers behind you.


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Crosstalk is that electronic deep staging and how is that a .5 tree?
There's so much wrong with that sentence that I'm just going to assume it was in jest.



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On the flip side a slow car, now knowing that his chances of losing on the starting line have decreased, might try to hit the tree a little harder
No one is going to try to risk a redlight knowing their odds of winning a double-redlight have increased by 0.5 - 1.5%.

I attack the tree the same every time, regardless of whether I'm the fast car, the slow car, my opponent is red or green, etc. If I had a heads-up where I had the guy covered by half a second, I might set up .030. Do the same thing at the same time the same way every time. The idea that someone is going to "try harder" or will "back off" in any other situation reveals not having a good, consistent spot on the tree in the first place.


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