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That's a bunch of BS. You wear the dresses (or kilts) because you know that sheep can hear a zipper a mile away.

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Please join me in remembering a great Classracer icon. The Keyboard Racers Association spokesperson, The Salty Dog, was Done to death by slanderous tongue. He was 400 posts old. Mr. Dog is to be buried with his keyboard. Dozens of celebrities are expected to turn out, including Popeye, the California Raisins, the Hostess Twinkies,and many others.
His care free attitude and willingness to talk trash and offend several people with his incautious remarks will be greatly missed this winter when we are looking for something to entertain us this winter. A memorial service will be held at the Indianapolis sheraton hotel on Saturday, December 8, 2012.
He is survived by a One Eyed Wonder Weasel and Two love spuds
R.I.P Salty Dog

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I just received a call telling me salty is gone forever.
What did salty do to cause his death?
All the bs Bruce posts and salty gets it.
Kenny man up and bring salty back.

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Ya but they come running when they hear you clomping around in those special boots!

By the way, congratulations on Daisy's modeling career taking off. Heifer International....who knew! Nice

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I stumbled onto this and thought of you immediately.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RvyFFjP7RE[/ame]

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So...anyway....I think I will start looking for a 2010+ Camaro body to begin building if I intend to blow the rest of my retirement properly. Can you give any sound advise for that Kyle?

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Lease out Carson.

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While I will not be in attendance for the memorial ceremony, I will be celebrating his death from afar. To me, this clip describes his life more than anything else

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijj85BFtIVA[/ame]

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Andrew, you are a sharp young man. Even Kyle can embed. Come on.

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Endoxi, endoxi! Katalavino, Malaka.

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show
 

Did you and your header builder invent some new language?

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Ohhi, melau ligho Illinika. (No, I can speak a little Greek). I cannot translate the prior post. This is a family site and all.

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Could it be "all right,all right , I get it ,bleep":D

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Sumbitc...someone actually understood it.

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And a fellow LT1 racer at that!!

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I can't help but read all of this bantering about the decks being stacked against us "old race car" racers and instead of the verbiage "unfairly low HP ratings", insert "allowing professional / full-time racers to race against us, the true sportsmen"
It was OK to stack that deck with your heroes. If that was the case (and a hugh majority seemed to think it as acceptable), then stacking the deck with low HP engines shouldn't be an issue.
In both instances, NHRA has allowed one side an unfair advantage and as a result, you are loosing money.

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Must be something about living in Arizona and complaining about the pro/sportsman racer...isn't this Don Kennedy's territory?

And it's LOSING!!!! Not LOOSING!!!!

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Yep, when in doubt, and there's nothing else, attack the spelling...

(hope I spelled yep right)

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They just can't help them selfs, I thought this thread was about the new bogus HP ratings!! the Big 3 are using to destroy stock as we know it.

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Is this actually a "bitchable" subject? Are people out there really mad at a racer if he/she attends more than 8 races a year?

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It's kind of pointless to complain about the "pros" since there's maybe only 2 left? Fletcher and Rampy? You should start a new thread about it if you want. It usually comes up this time of year anyway....every year.....

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Spelling is a hugh deal on this site.

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My My, I leave yall alone for a couple days, and yall go crazy. Breathe deep into your nose and exhale slowly through your mouth. Do the Yoga 'ahmmmmm, ahmmmm, ahmmmm. There, now much better. Yall is the proper spelling for yall. I think I will just work on my stuff, and on Feb 15 or so, I will go to Florida. I plan on being in good spirits.
Sheep, Sheep Dogs, Foreign Language, bogus HP and all other things that make your blood pressure rise will be gone. I'm gettin about 8 hp for Christmas if yall want to celebrate. But I'm also gettin some nice presents from my 13 Grandchildren, and a nice cuddly smile from my 11 month old Grandaughter Annabelle with her bright red hair and big blue eyes. Ahmmmmmm, Ahmmmmmmm, Ahmmmmmm. Better huh?

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This head is the part number listed in the engine blueprint guide
M-6049-Z304DA

http://www.roushyatesparts.com/ford-...049-z304da.htm

it talks about CNC porting at the bottom, so the accepted head is the non-CNC'd version?

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Correct Andrew, when the engine was submitted to NHRA it did list the cnc head, but NHRA said no.The 352 and 428 along with the new 363 and 427 all use the non cnc heads.

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You truly are a lucky man Jeff. Jim

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M-6049-Z304DA - 63cc CNC'd combustion chamber. NHRA allows 56cc

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Merry Christmas Jeff!

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There's something screwy in this head deal because Roush says the heads have runner volumes of 204 and 85 as cast and the spec in the engine blueprint section says 230 and 91. Wonder where those extra cc's came from?

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M-6049-Z304P - The ported head.

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Told you guys you could learn a lot down there in the Lounge...

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=44347

Still looking for Hugh's post....

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Here's all 3 listed with flow numbers
http://www.thefordsource.com/store/p...-6049-Z304.pdf

"Intake port volume as cast: 204 cc"
"Exhaust port volume as cast 85 cc"

In the Stock/Super Stock Cylinder Heads Volume list, both Z304D and Z304DA are listed with:
Intake CC's Max: 230
Exhaust CC's Max: 91

All have CNC'd combustion chambers, M-6049-Z304P has CNC ports as well.

Also, the engine blueprint guide has a 56 cc combustion chamber, while a 63 cc one is listed in the specs. What's the deal with that?

How can I go about getting an extra 26 cc's on the intake and 6 on the exhaust approved?

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Total and complete BULL! My son and I both got more grease under my nails, and shed more blood on my knuckles, hands, elbows, knees and head, than you can imagine. And we didn't just buy a ready to race car. we got a roller with engine front suspension and viper seats, and not much more. We made decisions, matched parts, schemed and dreamed and worked harder than you can imagine for 18 hours a day for a couple of years.

And most of us, and certainly not me need an explanation about setting a national record. We put the (R) on our windshield several times. And we did set the A/SA National record for ET and speed at the end of 2011.

So go peddle your lame and uninformed generalizations, and other BULL somewhere else.

And to those who would criticize me for only being "in the game" a couple years while they have been playing for 25 years.... are you kidding?????

I have a lifetime of auto experience. I have been building and racing, although not NHRA, since I was 10 years old. And rather than you having 25 years of experience, although you may indeed have 25 years of experience complaining, I expect that you have 1 year of experience 25 times when it comes to other things.

If you don't agree with what I say, fine. Just point out where I am wrong. And we can discuss it.

But don't just attack me. It isn't nice.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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You're full of "it". Did you sell your car yet? If so, good. Then you can move on to something else where you can act like you did it all your life and know more about it than everyone else as well.

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You know, I thought I was out of this fruitless and asinine Thread but I've got to comment about this attack (in bad English) on David.

For over a year we followed David's buildup and I remember the hard work, the broken parts and the sacrifice that was made to complete the car. He worked as hard as any of us that built a car from the ground up.

JimR

BTW,

"If so, good, then you can move........."

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Just a couple of "classracers" sharing a bit of Christmas cheer.
Pass the popcorn.....................

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[QUOTE=treessavoy;359618]He worked as hard as any of us that built a car from the ground up.

That's funny, right there. I don't care who you are (with all credit to Larry The Cable Guy).
I wasn't aware that Drag Paks, Cobra Jets or COPOS had to be built from the ground-up.

I'm not trying to start a old car vs. new car war. Here's my bottom line: running way under the index, winning class or setting a record with a bogus HP Drag Pak, Cobra Jet or COPO is the equivalent of an adult beating up a 10-year-old on the playground. That's the truth, and NHRA is letting it happen. But it certainly doesn't make it right.

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Jim there is nothing wrong with buying a race car. If one goes to PMR and buy a mid sixties stocker for x amount of dollars, is not different than buying a new cobra jet for x amount of dollars. It is simply a choice.

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I built my Drag Pak. BRC did the chassis work and the cage but I spent lots of nights and weekends putting mine together. The 2009 and 2010's were all bought as a body in white with a motor. No trans, no rear axle, no wiring, brake or fuel lines. The Cobra Jets came ready to race as well as the 2011 DP's. I'm no checkbook racer either, I've been racing for 17 years and still build my own stuff. I get tired of you guys saying everyone with a new car bought their way into stock. David, Chris and Keith all put a lot of work into their car and they were not afraid to run it hard. I watched them tear down in Joilet 2 years ago after a few #1 qualifying efforts. They do their own work just like the guys with the older cars. We are all racers and all car guys or we wouldn't be out drag racing. What's the old song by WAR; "Why can't we be friends"?

Dennis Breeden

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Go back and read the WHOLE post. It will come to you. TP