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Randy, any piston that someone makes to fit the chamber?or limited to cut costs? how about angle milling head etc?

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Mike. If need be, I could loan you an engine, but only have 2 engines in the 289 c.i. and 322 c.i. Don't worry, if you hurt one, no penalty. They ain't doing me any good, and will end up being the wrong size for the class anyway. This ain't a setup, just trying to help. I'll bet I could talk Steve Thompson into one last, no break-out race if the cobalt don't sell. Guys, it's the only car we have available at this time. The deuce is up to Rob Nall's shop right now, getting work done in the engine bay, plumbing, body panel work, to get ready for the body shop. But still a long ways off. If it happens, don't plan on having it in New York, or somewhere. Central U.S.A. if possible. I think I could get Eddyville to give us a weekend, but they are now IHRA.

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Dick. I've gave this A LOT of thought, and I say, (now, all I'm getting ready to propose is to ease tear down) any piston, any rings, angle mill, and polishing the combustion chamber is the ONLY thing allowed other then a valve job. Any stroke, but a 1" threaded hole in the side of the pan for inspection to keep ultra trick cranks out. Any size journal. I doubt the $1,300 rings are as advantageous without the pump. Stock type oil pump, no billet. Just ideas. All we'd have to do is P&G, check pan, put a good scope in exhaust port, and down intake, and BOOM. We're basically done. But now comes the argument comp guys will fool you easily. That's where the number 1 qualifier, top speed, winner, and or runner up, record breakers have to have head OK'd by BRODIX.

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Piston tech could be the more expensive part but if fuel limited to VP-C-12 cant run too much compression...I would even support flat top piston for ease of inspection and low cost so no custom domes etc.

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Flat top is fine with me, as long as it does not limit type, weight, etc. because of not having to pull the head.

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Anyone else opinion on flat piston versus Dome to get compression?versus low cost non custom dome manufacture.

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Dick,

WHATEVER to keep the cost down. Is there possibly a spec piston? spec rod? I would prefer it if you could not do ANYTHING to the head. The more you allow, the more the cost.

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The flat top part could be easily policed, but if you want a spec piston, and rod, you're talking about opening a can of worms. Every engine would have to be completely disassembled. I am against a spec rod, and piston. Not because I have some secret setup I'm trying to slide by, but because tech would be a nitemare. If I'm running a steel rod, and you're running the best, lightest rod MGP makes, they will run real close together. One has an advantage over the other in a totally different area. And ring packages. My 2 cents worth is, a .043 2 ring will run with a .043, .043, 3mm. Now the super thin rings might build 15 HP more then these two combos, but if that's what they have on you, you are real close to kicking their butts. Cut a .01 better light, and call it even. Also, without a vac pump, they ain't quite as attractive. Don't get me wrong, all the hitters will run them, but I'd love to go back to the shop, and say, "All we need is to spend an extra $1,300, and we're in. Beats the hell out of $10,000. The best, trickest piston is about $1,800. But a set that will run real close to them is an $900 set, so name your poison, and come on in. We've saved tons on heads, intakes, clutches, computers, etc.Back to the head. We found if you can't polish the chamber you risk detonation. If you can't mill, if you hurt the head, it's junk. Also, you have to remove the head to check both. Just letting you know the obstacles we faced, and addressed.

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Anyone getting any feed back on the max lift of the cam? Here's my thoughts. Has to be big enough to allow performance, and RPM< but not so large to cause valve train problems. .700, or .750 is considered rather small today.

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I have called two NHRA officials to have them read the thread. Another site for Comp racing is discussing a basic class for Comp very similar.Sounds like both eliminators are needing a cheap class to bring out parked racers and have fun...

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I think .700 -.750 would be plenty of lift,
Randy
Thanks for offer to use engine,I appreciate that,if this can get rolling might have to take you up on your offer.
Dick,
Sounds like you got some good feedback
Mike Taylor 3601

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Think .700 would be better...in terms of keeping costs down...LESS spring required...
and a few bucks saved there. Maybe LESS parts needed...to keep the geometry
correct?

Would .050" lift matter that much anyway...in terms of performance?

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One thing that we should try to remember is we're not trying to "push" the envelope
here...we're trying to get MORE "players" on the field.....

At least that's the way I read what's been suggested...

Keep in mind the current economy....let's "bring em out" guys!

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.700 seems like a good, stable, performance oriented number. And would make valve spring up keep simpler. The guys at inside comp are proposing a similar class, but wanting to allow ANY mod to certain heads. I believe that brings us back to square one. I know for a fact you can wrap up $10,000 in a quality iron head, so that's my point.

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Spec head. Stay the course.

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Oh I will stay the course. If I wanted to run a comp any mod cylinder head class. I'd already be doing it. If they go any mods to the heads, they can count me, and several others out. Never in history have we had the opportunity to showcase all 3 big auto manufacturers as we can with the Brodix spec head. And with today's technology, we can spot minute changes that would make the head illegal. Talk about a true level playing field, this is it.

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That friends will be the basis of a fun cheap class for all makes to compete with a level field. Brodix Basic Heads. Next issue is Pistons, and I like flat top with spec deck ht. Is there a cc for the chambers Randy? or ?Anything goes with Angle mill?

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We never specified CC. We could only get in the high 50 range, and you'd have to cheat, and weld them up to gain an advantage. That, my friends, would be caught immediately by Brodix on inspection. We did everything we could to keep tear down easy. The threat, and availability of a Brodix inspection kept them under control.

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I see the responses on Inside Comp racing, but not much here in the Mod and comp section.
Maybe the COLD weather has everyone concentrating on survival instead of dreaming about how nice the summer will be and how soon it will arrive.... and getting their stuff freshened or modified.

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Dick. Here's what I see happening, and not happening in the future. What's nort happening, is Econo Mod getting drafted into Comp. What will happen in the next two years is one, or several sanctioning bodies will give it a shot. The reason I feel that way is because several Comp, and Super Stock guys think it's the path to take for a lot of new interest. Just hope I ain't in the nursing home before it gets going. I do believe first it will start at a local track. Then? Well, we'll see.

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A lot of some sort of interest in something of this nature is being heavily discussed on insidecompracing.