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Michael, my pure reaction time is .234. The car roll out is .26, when I see the bottom bulb on I leave, usually will be .000 - .030. This is with Pro or Full. I usually get the .075 trying to hit the pedal hard instead of just reacting and stepping on it.

I probably would be all screwed up deep staging.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA being hard on yourself is not good.

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Agree with you Michael: Have spent many hours over the years on my practice tree and spent considerable time working with the .500 Pro tree and found I was .003 slower.
My theory is " you know it's coming" which is fine as long as you understand that. This made me train myself to know when i saw the bottom bulb and when I did not to know when the car red lit or I did.

With all we have available to us today there are plenty of ways to get most race cars to hit the tree but it will take work and money, some just don't want to work on their *****.

If the reason for deep staging is to develop consistency hitting the tree teen or better all the time is that really what Foot Brake is all about or needs? We already have Super Pro Dragsters that can be teen or better every run and run the number every run and take the stripe by a few thousandths every run. If that's what you want for Foot Brake fine but what's next when everyone has the same reaction time and can take the stripe by .005? What's fun about Foot Brake is the variables make it a little fast a loose with room for options and to screw it up it's great fun. If the intention is to be a professional bracket racer buy a super pro dragster it's simpler.

For myself when am tired of Stock and if I still want to race will go to Street/Sportsman Eliminator where there really is Pure Foot Brake Racing deep shallow doesn't really matter it's about fun just not much money in it.

Billy is the Man!

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My pure reaction time varies depending on how close I am pitted to Mickey Whaley!

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LoL Damn

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What did you do to that boy Mickey, sounds nervous.

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me nervious haha only if i drop the soap goy any more jerkey to lose

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he dropped soap also in the bristol shower area

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Mickey, not you nervous, him. No more jerky to lose, got moss. I get nervous when they spray the track.

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Yes! Heaven forbid anyone starts to consistently hit the tree in Footbrake or Stock. The horror! When that happens, I'll quit!

Did I get that right? :D

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Mr Ortiz for some reason my reflexes aren't near as good the next day if I hang around too late with Mickey and Dennis, might as well drag him in too.

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Ron, Sounds like you could leave at a dead idle in a good Super Street car!
Of course you'd be the only one in the world doing that ;-)

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Thanks Cooter, I totally understand. Beware though, there are plenty of similar individuals out there that drag innocent people into the depths of night with a variety of beverages and festivities.

I too have been captured on occasion.

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Heck Mark I used to count the tree down with the old incandescent bulbs and did ok, but it was kind of hitting it between coming on and on. It was actually a pain. When they came out with the LEDs it took a long time before I could adjust my head to where I needed to be. I tried it from an idle and just couldn't cut it, was all over the place. I do have one constant though and that is my car just takes off, no 1/4 revolution, no spin, it just leaves, hence the 1.90 60' I wouldn't know what to do in a Super Street car. I saw that they actually lift the wheels off the ground.

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But what a great time what did i dial?

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Can't remember but I'm sure you were holding! Merry Christmas from Deez.

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There are those who can hit the tree consistently shallow they have natural ability OR they have trained themselves OR they have worked on their cars. DEEP gives the slow guys the ability to have consistently quicker reaction times OR not to have to work on their cars. :p

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Deep staging isn't a crutch that makes killers out of lazy, unskilled racers. The same guys are going to win, shallow or deep.

I have never been a deep stager; I'm just sensitive to general ignorance and idiocy.

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lots of that in this thread from the same few posters.

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Which begs the question. Why do they need to deep stage if they are going to win either way? This thread highlights the confusion and frustration surrounding deep staging and the very reason it was banned and will never be allowed again in Stock and Super Stock.

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Great command of the obvious!
Just another one of those guys "Who Think They Know"

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You're kidding right....

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..general ignorance and idiocy... That's good!! I really like that. I have committed that to memory.

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Some thoughts from a habitual deep stager:

http://www.thisisbracketracing.com/g...s=5F5409050D01

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A nice long read for bracket racers. Not so much for Stock racers.

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Using Bob to make your point is out of line, he is a past Division 1 Stock Champion and a good friend and mentor. He has too much class to engage in the type of "ignorance & idiocy" you espouse.

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Frank, With all due respect, I think "Lenny5160" was just trying to educate a few folks here with that post.

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Thanks, Mark. You got it. I linked to Bob's article with all due respect, as he articulated many aspects of deep staging much better than I could.

Tony Leonard

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It can't be explained any better than that.

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Hi, Bruce


Happy New Year!

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Happy New Year Mark. Haven't heard much from you lately? Have you been deep staging this winter in sunny Arizona?

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Ha, Nothing new on the DS front..but I'll let you know if there is.
I'll let you know about the DS-ing here, in about two hours, after my Lemans closes on Ebay

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24 pages later.....wow....

If your running a car that can go red, it doesn't matter, if your running a car that couldn't get a .550 light let alone anything close to red unless you left on the first yellow....then your at a disadvantage and need to adjust the car.
The issue is;
(1) fast cars don't need it,
(2) mid pack cars can be adjusted to hit the tree
(3) slow cars can't hit the tree and can't be adjusted enough to hit it.

So who loses (again) slow cars.

First to go red, you lose.
Can't go deep, you lose
What's next, if you can't hit 100mph then you automatically lose? Or is it if you don't have over $50,000 n the car then you automatically lose?

Maybe NHRA should talk to a bunch of U/SA racers and "have a poll" and see what the results would be??????

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I thought that this thread went out with 2015 but it just keeps hanging around.Mr. Broke , I disagree with you regarding the Fast Guys. The fast guys needed all the rule revisions for SAFETYs sake....Wheelie bars for safety, aftermarket front disc brakes for Safety, aftermarket aluminum seats for Safety,wheelie bars for Safety, Fuel cells for Safety,......I told a stock eliminator racer many years ago......If an A/SA can figure out how to run over 130 MPH....he can figure out how to stop the car with factory brakes.

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You ARE speaking for yourself right?
Ortiz and I don't seem to be having a problem (well, Ortiz has some other problems).
Then again, I never considered myself a loser either.
Why don't you start a thread about something that would help out slower classed cars. NHRA should come up with a way to control the wind and the weather! It's just not fair! Those dammed fast cars aren't as affected as much as we are! They should start enclosing and climate-controlling their tracks! It's just not fair!

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If you can do it Billy, I'm in 100% on this. No more rain outs!!

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Billy is my hero!
I think he is a lot of people's hero.

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Future of Drag Racing...
Enclosed Climate Controlled Facility with Convertible Roof for Sunny Days.
Race 24x7 facilities with clean washroom and showing facilities and decent food.:eek:

Felice Del Ano Nuevo ~

Dan

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Aim for the doorway>>

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"Driving it out the back door" takes on a whole new meaning...

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Went there couple times--- it was in the International Ampitheater bldg--- they had every thing there track meets/wrestling/midget races/ stock car races/motorcycle races/Chicago auto show/ u name it they did it there/ even concerts saw Elvis there in 1959 in his
$10,000 GOLD suit, the stage was on a boxing ring to keep the girls away from him----FED 387