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I'm just reading up on this, That was the funniest thing I have seen in a while! I busted out laughing! Thanks Mickey for that. I run the middle to slower end of the pack in ss/JA so I spot but get chased often. My decision is easy on the subject. I'm against it. All this system does is give a slower car a second chance in the event there is a double red light. I mean it's easy. You live or die on the tree, we all know this. Your red, your gone. Does it give the faster car a free pass? Yes but YOU handed it to the faster car for going red. Live with it , don't change the rules for your favor.

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So a slower car gets 2 shots at the tree does that mean if he goes red he can stop back up and restage and try it again?

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Lmao, I just read all 20 pages, I thought there were no politics allowed on this forum. Sounds like a bunch of lawyers trying to change the law because something is not fair. Easy way to look at it. You both stage, you know the rules, YOU leave first, YOU go red. Race over. Simple.

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That's funny James, but that's the only way the slower car could get two chances to win, under Tru-Start.

He gets ONE chance to put up a winning light..Same as the faster car. ONE!

Now, under the current system, the FASTER car gets TWO chances to win. ONE while sitting on the line before he even moves, and ONE down at the other end of the track.

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I agree with you:D

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The faster car did not make the slower car red light. There is no advantage there. That is on the driver. The slower car driver gave the win to the other car. Why is that so hard to understand or live with. They made a mistake & it cost them the race. Race your own race.
What sport has a false start without an immediate penalty? I can't think of any. Track, Football, ect. All go by this.
Another thing to think about is this, lets reverse it. If the slower car cuts a good light & the faster car red lights. How often would the person let off to save on wear & tear on their car? Often I would say. So why should the faster car have to stay on the trans brake for longer than they need to when they have allready won? The race is over. Automatic disqualification.

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Simple answer is that's the nature of handicap racing. Without it you would be racing factory blower cars heads up.

Your premise is not correct, under Tru-Start. The slower car cannot possibly lose until the second car moves..no matter how early he leaves.

Why is that so hard to understand or live with. (question mark)

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Bob, under the circumstances I thought your opinion for or against might be interesting.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632 (by the way, congratulations)

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It seems like this tru start idea is trying to level the playing field then how about this idea since NHRA is the only Major Sports Organization that allows Professionals to compete against amateurs should be addressed to create a level playing field .:confused:

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What's your point Mr. Kennedy ??

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That's a great point Mr. Kennedy. I think I know how to fix that. Let's eliminate all purses and that way no one will be professional........ and I said I was done with this. I just couldn't help myself.

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The definition of a professional can be broken down into two separate words. The American Heritage Dictionary states the definition of a professional as “of or engaged in a profession; engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood.”
The definition of an amateur is : a person who does something (such as a sport or hobby) for pleasure and not as a job

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Bobby Jones was an amateur, and he kicked every Pro golfers azz. And the reason he was able to do that was because he was an uber competitor and practiced his craft. He also had a fair amount of talent.
I see a direct correlation between Bobby Jones success and that of, oh, let's see, perhaps Dan Fletcher, David Rampy, Jody Lang, Jimmy DeFrank, Bob Glidden, and a host of others. Glidden was pretty successful before he became a Pro. As was Lee Shepherd.
Of course, you could always become a pro, and the wins would just automatically come your way. Week, after week, after week.

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Those sports don't have handicapped starts

How is being on the converter when there is no foul by the slower car any different from being on the converter waiting for both cars to leave to determine a worst foul? Maybe cars with slower handicaps should just stay in the pits so the faster cars can just make easy passes?

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Don't red light use common sense this rule has been in play since the beginning of this sport now all of a sudden it needs to change stay in the pits I will take the bye run if you are scared just don't waste your gas coming to the track everybody wants a handout if I red light first I lose this is getting stupid!

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These paper racers don't have a clue?

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again

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HAHA LOL and he went on the short bus

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Hey Mick, let's say that you and I race. You get to the line first and break-out by .05. I get to the line a car behind you and break-out by .03. The win light doesn't come on until MY car crosses the line. You're out by .05, I'm out by .03, I win. But the win light doesn't come on until my car crosses the line.

Now let's say that you and I race again. You get to the line first and break-out by .03. I get to the line a car behind you and break-out by .05. Should MY win light come on when your car crosses the line because you were the first one to break-out?

If the first to go red is the loser on the starting line, then it's only fair that the first to break-out should be the loser at the finish line.

The only reason that this has come up now is that the technology to do it didn't exist till now. This isn't any different to Stock and SS than replacement carbs and aluminum heads are. But I guess that the "fast" guys aren't having a problem with them.

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crap

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crap

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I feel in an effort to level the playing field one should only be allowed to edit 9 out of every 10 posts...

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got snow yet

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Time for a classic, dead horse strategies...about as pertinent as most of the posts here and you may enjoy...

1. Buying a stronger whip.

2. Changing riders.

3. Threatening the horse with termination.

4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.

5. Visiting other sites to see how others ride dead horses.

6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

7. Re-classifying the dead horse as “living, impaired”.

8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

9. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed.

10. Attempting to mount multiple dead horses in hopes that one of them will spring to life.

11. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse’s performance.

12. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse’s performance.

13. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

14. Re-writing the expected performance requirements for all horses.

15. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position

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Good Luck

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Mickey, it's time to move on brother! Nothing else to see here, me and the boys are getting worried about you......

PS I hit the edit button for Fletcher!

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It will either happen or it won't. Either way all of us will continue to show up. Makes no difference.

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Peter Biondo post.

I am obviously for TruSTART and I AM typically the faster car/ chaser.

There will always be the finish line (chaser) advantage to being the faster car and that reason alone is incentive enough for me to continue being the faster car. I don't think anyone would argue that point regardless of if you are running Stock, Top Sportsman, or a Bracket car.

TruSTART simply fixes one starting line system deficiency (in a handicapped scenario) and will lead to long term health of the sport (along the same lines on when it made the sport healthier when we separated door cars and dragsters in our first Spring Fling). Over the past 7 years, I watched the bracket race market change for the better in front of my own eyes and the door car separation had alot to do with that. Encouraging (not discouraging) lower budget participation.

Kyle and I (and Compulink) had alot to lose when we introduced this new concept at our Spring Fling races in 2016 as we were now mixing in a new/ different concept with an already successful race. It was a race where we didn't need more cars; there was very little upside from that perspective versus the downside risk involved.

The bottom line was that we believed in it (along with believing in Brockmeyer from Compulink) enough to take that risk and the racers LOVED IT. I am not talking keyboard racers or "on paper"... I am talking real life racers who actually raced with it.

It is already being installed in tracks throughout the country and similar to cross-talk and auto-start, I believe it will spread and I really hope it does. But if for some reason it doesn't, I am perfectly fine in doing it at our Spring Fling events because its something I believe in.

With this being said, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion and alot of good points have been made on both sides. If an overall vote was taken (in all classes including the Summit Bracket Race Series), I believe it would be 70% for Tru-START. More importantly, if racers raced on it for 3 or 4 days in a row and then voted on it, I believe the vote would be at least 80% for Tru-START.

Peter Biondo

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Thank You Peter

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Be careful with predictions Pete. Look what happened to Hillary.

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LMFAO !! Now that's funny!!\

(added the edit for effect.....)......

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I was interested in the cost and TruStart is a $2800 upgrade to a CompuLink system. Also found a loooong thread on the topic from another forum:

link:

http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t...5177088576/p/1

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Ok, let's go back to the beginning, flagman, damn can't win cause I am too slow with the arm motion. Ok, we get a tree, cool. Damn sitting there thru 5 ambers, can't cut a light. No problem, we will make it a 3 amber tree. Still can't win, Ok we will give you reaction times, great, I can go a few rounds. Damn, still can't win, Ok we will give you SG and all the electronics so you can become a great racer. Still struggling in stock & super stock to win races, no problem, we will give you 2-steps & trans brakes. Wow, the same people keep winning, let's make another change. IMO you guys that leave 1st, if you have no confidence in your driving abilities against faster cars, either build a faster car or maybe do something else. I see Jody Lang has no problem running a slow car in stock or super stock with the current rules and winning. Pretty soon drag racing will be just a hand held game ...

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The following tracks have added TruSTART for next year:

Summit Raceway Park
Firebird Raceway
SGMP
Tucson Dragway
LVMS
Orlando Speed World Dragway
Sonoma Raceway
Maple Grove
Bandimere Speedway


-Kyle
www.BracketRaces.com

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Chuck, Jody had a small problem in winning the world finals. That is like how this thread started.

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Now you understand, only took you 22 pages.

Take care of Mickeys lane and go green, true-start will have no affect on your winning program. The end, have a nice day!

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That is a excellent concept. Tru-start will have no effect on the faster car. Just stay green.