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Paul
are you referencing the Plum Crazy Dart owned by Bob Baughman??? Or???

liteweight

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No

The Black Dart from Mt. Kisco

Lido's car.

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Would this be the "Two Scoop Lido" Dart you mentioned a l-o-n-g time ago Daryl?

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Paul
So now you have my undivided attention!!!!!!!! More information much required
Calzones are on the line here

Charlie
yes, that's the same car.

All I want for Christmas is......................................

liteweight

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Is this correct?? To qualify for a bracket event such as the Bracket Nationals, a car/driver needed to be "sponsored" from his home track, which in this case could be Lebanon Dragstrip. In otherwords, that driver/car had to have points to qualify, ie: many passes down the track.
Where I'm going with this, is ......pictures. There HAS TO BE pictures of this car out there.
Who were the track photogaphers @ the time?
Can there be a name attached to this car?

liteweight

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Correct,

In September 1977,

Each Track would send a Group from;
* Super Pro
* Pro Eliminator
* Heavy
* Street

To the 2nd Annual Bracket Nationals @ York US 30 Dragway

Competing Tracks
* ATCO
* Beaver Springs
* Cecil County
* Colonial Beach
* Dragway Park
* Empire {New York}
* Hampton
* Island
* Keystone
* Lebanon Valley {New York}
* Maple Grove
* Maryland International Raceway
* New England
* New London {Connecticut}
* New York National Speedway {Long Island, New York}
* Raceway Park {Englishtown, New Jersey}
* Sanair
* 75-80
* Strato-Rods
* Suffolk
* US 13
* WestHampton {Long Island, New York}
* York US 30

Besides 'Individual Winners' there was also a 'Track Championship' in each Bracket based on Points.

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yes light weight you need to accumulate regular season points at your home track to qualify to race at the bracket finals.i don't know how they do it in other divisions but in division 1 it is a big deal.
to scoop lido's real name slips me now but I know that he was one of Charlie castaldo's cousin or in law. I think some where in this thread lido's real name is posted.

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1977 ~ 2nd Annual Bracket Championships 'NED 1' at York US 30 Dragway {Pennsylvania}

September 24 & 25 {Saturday and Sunday}

* Super Pro........................ to 10.99
* Pro Eliminator....... 11.00 to 11.99
* Heavy..................... 12.00 to 13.99
* Street...................... 14.00 and up

When I remember that Dart in Mt. Kisco, at the Service Station next to
the Mt. Kisco Movie Theatre, it had an 11.10 or 11.40 shoe-polished on the windshield.

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Paul
You've confirmed rumours I've heard of that black Dart in Mt. Kisco being slow

From what I've been told the nick name of the owner "Two Scoop Lido" came from the fact the car had a second hood scoop that was grafted to the top of the original scoop of this car.
******************* I NEED TO KNOW THE OWNER'S NAME******************************
&/or
Who was Lebanon Valley's track photographer
&/or
who was the track announcer?
&/or
names of racers that competed @ Lebanon durring this time frame
&/or
ANYTHING that even MAYBE of little revilance

liteweight

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light weight some where here is "two scoops real name" I know that your dart when we got it had two scoops on it we had discussed that.

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This is from the '1978' 3rd Annual Bracket Nationals @ York US 30 Dragway.


http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/9...10_o.jpg?nc=79

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jimi

Sorry, I don't recall anywhere/time when "Two Scoops" actual given name was posted here

liteweight

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By chance any 68 Darts listed in that program?

Jimmy Moeller is the name under what looks like a Dart pictured here. #1 qualifier...Pro Eliminator.

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Might you have any pictures of it with those two scoops?

(starting to sound like a Raisin Bran commercial)

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this is part of the whole problem Charlie, my mother documented everything with pictures, my parents had ten of thousands of pictures from Lebanon valley , dover,Englishtown, island dragway etc. all the northeast tracks, after she passed away , things disappeared from the house including two giant safe seal Tupperware tubs full of these pictures, and I know we had pics of lightweights dart when we first got it. I have searched high and low, asked everyone of my dads friends if he had given them away to them and no one seems to know anything about the pictures.if I had them lightweight would already know whos car it was and all of this great info probably never would have been posted on here.

lightweight maybe it was when I spoke with you earlier this year , the guy ken wright that did not give up much info to you on the phone is a nephew of Charlie Castaldo. he was the one who told me to scoops real name , it was another italian last name. I will try and call Kenny to get this guys name . ken came to me because he has been looking for the car that two scoop had and the road led to me and my dad, ken is also old enough to tell some very intimate stories about uncle Charlie and his wife among other things. I do know that you to did not hit it off to well on the phone according to him so I will try again to get what I can out of him.

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Daryl,

I'm still digging.

Talked to my mother, and she said one her best friends married one of the 'Lieto' boys.

They were from Mt. Kisco, but moved to the next town North, to Bedford Hills.

There were several 'Lieto' boys that my mother went to school with in Mt. Kisco.

It could have been one of the Lieto brothers sons that raced the Dart.

He worked at the Service Station in Mt. Kisco, next to the Mt. Kisco Movie Theatre.
Probably from 1976 thru 1980.

Paul

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Thanks JIMI for anything and everything you can and are doing to help Daryl.
You are correct that this turned into one if not THE leading LO23 Dart forum.
Also, this topic began the Nostalgia Forum on Class Racer.
A lot of good things have happened because of "Daryl's Dart Deliemma".
The good news is that WHEN his "quest for truth" is solved this topic has taken on so many faces it will continue.

Isn't this fun?

Paul,
I can't believe you are "this close" to possibly bringing the two ends together. With you and jimmi and the new/old info you both have brought to the forum, I just feel this is coming to a CORRECT end for Daryl.

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Paul

Lost in translation. "Two Scoop Lido" as previously thought to be a nickname, translated to an actual last name "Lieto".... "Two Scoop Lieto". And one of them actually worked at the same gas station where the black Hemi Dart was seen at. Well done Sherlock!!!!!This is the most progress I've had in more than a decade.
Your on a roll. Keep throwing those dice my friend.

Jimi

Thankyou for hanging in there with me. I appreciate the effort your putting into this. Your right, it would be alot easier if those pictures would of been available, but, on a side note, alot of other good things have happened due to this thread. I'm not going to give up this quest, but it's sure been a long time coming.
Keep me informed on Ken Wrights info

To all involved
Thankyou for keeping this thread alive & well. Couldn't have done this without your inputs.

liteweight
Haven't posted a picture lately. This is one of my favorites

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3ac5e8ef.jpg

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Daryl,

Might you be able to refresh our memories about the black Dart being spotted at a gas station that one of the Lietos worked at?

Thanks

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The Best Bet,

Is to try and get Track Results from Lebanon Valley Dragstrip from 1977.

That is the primary track that guys from Northern Westchester
went to in 1976 and later,

Dover Drag Strip had closed in May 1976.

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Unfortunately, I don't have much more usefull information at this point. I initially heard about it from Mark Janaky many years ago. His information came from a few locals from Mt. Kisco, but no one was able to provide much more info other than remembering seeing it there.. Mark tried many avenues in getting more info, but every one came up as a dead end. He even went as far as talking with the local librarian who was an aquatence of the person who supposidly owned that garage. He searched out the local sherriff etc, etc,etc.
The closest I've been so far is with Paul C. who was from that area, & remembers seeing it himself.

now as far as the possibilities of this black Dart being mine, there are some things that are adding up. Mostly that when Tim Hennessey purchased this car from Lou Vignona, the original hood scoop was "screwed up" as he put it,& needed to be replaced. The hood itself remains original as far as I know. Jimi has confirmed when his dad got it, it had a scoop moulded onto the original one. I'm thinking it was probably covering a tunnel ram at one time. Maybe Jimi can comment on what the car had on it, induction wise, when Lou purchased it, but I don't remember if someone told me. Both Jimi & his father did say it was a complete Hemi car when they got it. The drivetrain was removed & Lou was going to either use the engine in one of his cars or have it as a spare, again, I don't remember which.
I do know that when I ran the numbers on the trans. it decodes to a 1968 Super Stock ONLY transmission. Is it the original to this car?? More than likely, but no way of proving it at this point. The engine itself is still around, & Jimi has told me where it may be located, but, again at this point there is no way of proving it's THE original one to this car.
So I'm leaving that piece of the puzzle completely alone for now until we get this puzzle fiqured out.
Sure would be cool if it was tho wouldn't it.

liteweight

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lightweight it had a tunnel ram and two dominators the old style one with the velocity tubes cast in.

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I don't remember seeing this one yet. Not Daryl's but hey, we have to keep posting the pics :

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7089/cannedheat.jpg http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=5691259

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March 1977 'Super Stock & Drag Illustrated'

Coverage of the 'First NHRA Bracket Nationals' @ York US 30 Dragway.

September 1976

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MARCH-1977-SU...lTNFrg~~_3.JPG

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Any relevant pictures or info in the article?

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This is the one that has the 1977 Bracket Nationals from York in it. I just found, & purchased it on ebay. Hoping this might have some usefull information
Thanx for the idea Paul.

liteweight


http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0f139cc1.jpg

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Daryl,

You might also want to try and dig up newspaper articles from
'The Gettysburg Times'.

They covered the major races at 'York US 30 Dragway'.

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Charlie,
The "Canned Heat" car is explained in my post on page 226. It was not an original car. It was owned by Lou Biggs, out of the Belleville, IL area (St. Louis, MO area). I ended up with some of his left over parts in the early '80's. The color picture is probably at the "old" Gateway International Raceway in Madison/ East St. Louis, / Fairmont City, IL., or whatever town they were claiming at the time. You can see the spectator cars setting up on top of the canal. The track has been totally rebuilt, and runs the opposite way, and is called Gateway Motorsports Park, and hosts an NHRA National event.
An interesting thing about the parts I got from Lou Biggs, was that some of them came from Lou Brock Dodge in East St. Louis, IL. Lou Brock is the Hall of Fame baseball player for the St. Louis Cardinals, and also owned a Dodge dealership in East St Louis.
I have not seen the 2nd picture of his car, but the color pictures are on page 205 and 206, in this thread.
This is probably just some "worthless knowledge", which I specialize in!
Dan

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Liteweight,
I talked to Dave Koffel at PRI, he said he had a guy that had a good history of all the cars, probably worth making a call to him in Ohio next week.
He also said his wife Susie has a scrapbook with all of the cars and their original owners.

Hope this helps,
Wayne Kerr

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Just In,

The 1968 Dodge Dart {Lieto car} was 'not' an LO23 Hemi Dart.

It was an original 1968 GTS 383 Dart.

It was all black, with no lettering.

Someone put in a tricked up 426 Max-Wedge in the car, and it had steel fenders with Fenderwell Headers.

It had a Cross-Ram on it, with a 68' Fiberglass Hemi Hood.

Lieto or ? switched it over to a Tunnel Ram, and changed the
hood to accommodate the Tunnel Ram.

It had a 'full' Roll Bar in the car.

The Dart also had a narrowed 8 3/4" Rear in it, with the rear inner
fenderwell's tubbed.

It ran 11.40's in the Pro Eliminator Bracket.

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Lebanon Valley pics from the era.

http://drag.racersreunion.com/photo/...ntPage=&page=1

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Here's a N.Y. based Dart I've never seen before.

1971-1974 Utica-Rome Dragway album on Drag Racer's Reunion.

http://drag.racersreunion.com/photo/...AAlbum%3A68699

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Another one - Saniar 1977

http://drag.racersreunion.com/photo/...Album%3A206772

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1978 - New England Dragway

http://drag.racersreunion.com/photo/...AAlbum%3A98600

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I also share vast amounts "worthless knowledge" on a few different subjects. I always let the reciever judge the value. ( lol )

Just forgot about this one already being here. So much has been posted it is easier to double up than to search 5 years of postings.

A lot of history here.

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Thanks for all these updates guys, This is one of my favorite internet topics. I have a lot of family from Utica Ilion. If I liked cars as a kid and asked to go to the drags, I'd a been in deep trouble, lol.
I hope we can get to the bottom of this. Daryl I hope you follow up on that couple in Ohio with info on every Dart produced. We need an answer.....
Chris

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I hope you guys will excuse the multiple posts above.

I went through over a thousand archived photos from '70's era east coast
tracks looking for Hemi Darts that I didn't remember ever seeing before.

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That's how we're going to solve this. One, just the RIGHT one clue-tip-photo is going to send this investigation to the "closed" file someday.

I have googled Hemi Dart-LO23-68 Dart- 68 Hemi Dart......... and mulitiple combinations of that so many times just to hopefully stumble over some obscure document-picture-article-posting that I have never seen before. It's a great, late night, I can't sleep thing to do. (lol)

But as stated many times, what a great history of LO23 Darts this has become.

Just saw this from Bill Ringer's post on Thunder Road Motorsports Park from years back.
Anyone know the Dart? LO23?

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...6&d=1386984981

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Well, back to square one. Thanks for solving that puzzle, Paul. Car sounds like a Dart I once saw run at Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ circa 1980. I didn't get a chance to look at it close-up in the pits to see what was under the hood nor the 'custom' two-scoop (oddity) if it still had it. My only recollection is a behind-the-starting-line view and that it had a 4-speed and broke something in its drivetrain off the line. Maybe it was a different Dodge Dart...who knows. What we now know is that the two-scoop Lido (aka Lieto) car is not Daryl's car.

One more thing: does anyone know the whereabouts of Tim Hennessey? If so, my suggestion is he should be made aware of this (very long) thread and put his two-cents in.

M68

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It's been posted in this thread before in both black and white vinyl top configurations.

http://111.imagebam.com/temporary-ur...s_playmate.jpg

M68