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McCollum had a few early mopars both wedge and hemi.He raced a 66 Coronet hemi call the Grim Reaper before he bought the Dart.

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So, I can make out Grotheers BO in th background. Anyone care to ID the Darts?

liteweight

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I might have got a break here. Don Moats forwarded me a link to Bob Snyders race pictures. There are literally thousands of them,alot being Funny Cars, but I found something of particular interest in the background of one of them. The picture was taken @ New York National Speedway in 68 durring the Super Stock Nationals.

http://bobsnyderdragphotos.smugmug.c...V5Bhj&lb=1&s=L

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf939f2.jpg

On the return road there is a silver Hemi Dart with a black hood ( early Hurst Darts went to their owners sans hood. It was shipped to them @ a later date.)You will notice a dent in the right quarter panel. My car is a early car & there was a dent repaired in the exact same area this one is. It's a strange kind of hit, looking like something fell on it.
I had never saw this dart before, forwarded the link to Mark Janaky & he recognized it right away as the Manhatten Speed Shop Hemi Dart. There aren't alot of pictures out there, only a couple in black & white. This is the first one he's seen of it in color. It's the same car due to decal placements. AND, it sure has strong possibilities as being my car.
Check it out:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5e6a00ad.jpg

Here's a picture taken in early 80's with the paint stripped to bare metal. Notice the bondo. Inside the trunk is very evident exactly where the damage was

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...manMay1985.jpg

So, this is just a current update for all you faithfull followers of this very long thread.

****AT THIS TIME I WILL NOT CONFIRM THIS IS THE SAME CAR AS THE MANHATTEN DART*******.

I will be looking into it really good tho. Phone bill is gonna get a **** kickin' shorly.

liteweight

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I hope that this sheds some light on your car Daryl and maybe you have found it.

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The Manhatten Dart has been on the missing list, & has been previously been only a remote possibility for me due to the journalists remark of it being a SS/B Hemi Dart, not a SS/BA Dart. I've said this many times here before that my car has NEVER had a stick OR a clutch pedal in it, EVER. With the similarities of that silver car & mine, specially the weird damage, leads me to believe that the journalist F'ed up when that article went to print.
I'll be looking for contact info for Manhatten Speed Shop & owner/s.
Did they own the Dart or sponsor it?
Paul Ceasrine posted awhile back they also owned or sponsored a Vega in 72? I'm thinking maybe Pro Stock?

Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated
thanx

liteweight

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That is some super detective work Lightweight, with real evidence. People around the globe are awaiting this one, I know I am. Fingers crossed it all falls into place for you.

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I wonder about your car and this detective thread every day of my life and so hope that something decisive will finally happen for you Daryl.

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thanx guys!!.
This car has been a real PITA to locate it's background for sure. If it weren't for the internet, I'd be hooped for sure. There have been hundreds of hours spent by myself on this deal, not counting everyone else who has contributed to this, & I truely appreciate everyone hanging in there with me.
Alot of people would of given up, but, because of the circumstances surrounding this car I neededto set it's history correct, because I'm of the belief that passing off a car as something it's not does alot more harm to it.
When I was trying to document the Landy stick car back in the 90's, it took me a year & a half before Dick signed it off as his. I thought at that time it was very difficult because there wasn't the internet to find info & pictures. I had to go the route of locating paperback for that one. In todays world that car woulda been a cake walk.

Like I said in a previous post, this isn't a for sure deal yet, but it is the most promising it has been for a very long time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

liteweight

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Here's a cropped and enlarged view:

http://112.imagebam.com/download/Ysi...p-enlarged.jpg

M68

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You'll never know what type of result(s) you'll get if a) you don't try, and b) use Google search engine. :)

BRONX AUTOMOTIVE - A LITTLE HISTORY...

Joseph Doto Started Bronx Automotive in 2000. Started as a family Auto Parts Store In NYC In 1930, Worth Auto Parts on Worth Street and Finally Moved to Cooper square. Joseph Doto Worked with his Father, Vito Doto, And Opened up Manhattan Speed Shop in the 60's, on west Broadway. We Distributed about 80% of Our parts. We delivered to Brooklyn, Upstate and New Jersey, including to shops still open today. We bought Direct and handled Lines like Mr.Gasket, Mallory, Crane, Comp Cams, Doug Headers, OK Custom Headers, Gk Cams, Moroso, Jomar, Offenhauser, etc..

Meanwhile Joe and Vito Bought A Building in The Bronx on Tiffany Street. We bought new and surplus auto parts. We Now are Direct with other Manufacturers that you see on our site today. We also Started Manhattan Speed Shop of Puerto Rico, Which if it were up to Vito, he would have lived there. We were the first to have VHT in brush on cans and Hurst 3 Speed Shifters with orange knobs. Vito also had interests in Bronx Speed shop and 2 Race tracks in Puerto Rico.

We are a family owned and operated buisness. We stock Old Car Parts, Street Rod, Hi Performance, Regular auto parts, Buick grand National parts and the list goes on. If you don't see something on our site, please email or call us. We carry more parts than shown on our site. We can Drop ship, etc.. We own two 1932 fords and a 1986 Buick grand National. Please check out an online forum, a NY based forum dedicated to Car enthusiasts @ www.EmpireMuscleCars.com!

http://bronxautomotive.com/

(516) 828-1227

M68

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I did some more research and found the following:

http://112.imagebam.com/download/5yV...speed_shop.jpg

fullmetaljacket said:

Wow. I remember Manhattan Speed. They were in my neighborhood. I knew the shop owners very well, but never seen that car.
There was a 60's Cuda that was running with Ronnie Lyles and the Mutt Brothers though. It was lightened to the max. Not sure if that may be the car.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...c=&Search=true

http://109.imagebam.com/download/Hw1...eed_shop-2.jpg


Nasty Nick said:

I took my car through many evolutions, many of them experimental. An easy way to see the last version is the hood scoop. A small snorkle scoop was used for a couple of years. With the huge torque of the engine, traction became a problem at some of the non-NHRA tracks. Soooo.....I moved the engine back ten inches. This required a snorkle scoop that went right up to the windshield. Hence you can tell the difference.

nastynick1@cox.net

http://109.imagebam.com/download/AfD...eed_shop-3.jpg

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/...d.php?t=127148

M68

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Awesome !! I check this post weekly if not daily... fingers crossed you're onto something!! Great sleuthing Daryl !! Keep us posted..

That dent is very interesting indeed !!
Gary

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Great news Daryl, I hope you find out if it's THE car for certain, and if it is......a cause for celebration!

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Oh yeah! There is going to be a P-A-R-T-Y when this all gets resolved !

And because we are all spread out across the world waiting for the news.....several "partys and celebrations" would be more truthful.

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Liteweight,
You have no idea how many people (racers) religiously check this thread everyday hoping that you find the history on your car. It beats the heck out of reality TV.
The evidence looks pretty compelling to me.

See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

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Holy Crap man
Unknowingly, I think I started some new kind of cult thing. You can send your cheques payable to.......................

Party-----Ya, I know of a certain bottle of rum that's going to get really abused, along with a very enjoyable Cuban. That's a cigar by the way, not what your thinking

Thankyou to all

M68 thanx dude!!!! My send button has got alot of use lately

Updates to follow

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf939f2.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3ac5e8ef.jpg

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Good luck, Daryl. I hope this one pans out. Like many,, I've been watching since day 1 on this "journey". I clicked onto Bob Snyder's wonderful site when the link went up and spent a couple hours going through the pics,,, saw the other Darts, but I've got to admit, I missed this one in the background that you picked out. When you pointed out the dent and the repair,, it gave me chills,,, I imagine you probably wet the floor! Just be assured, we're probably not holding our breath,,but theres a bunch of us out here with our fingers crossed, truly hoping you've found the missing link you're looking for.
Danny Durham

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Totally not thread related, but I needed to vent. It's March 1........... And we're still buried in mountains of snow. Current temperature -36. The high today will be -27 with windchill values making it feel like -49. Low tonght -31
WTF..... enough already, no more, no more. The boat show is this weekend. Even this climatized Canadian has had enough. 3 months straight of consistant snow & brutal cold

liteweight

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I sell real estate down here.
Come on down!
Seriously, do you ever hear of anyone that retires and moves "north"?
Beaches,all kinds of year round festivals, casinos and of course, Crusin' the Coast had over 7000 registered cars last year. Drag strips everywhere. Great seafood all year.
And its sunny and headed to the 60's (make that 70's) today!

Torture, isn't it? :)

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My pleasure!

M68

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That darn "global warming." LOL

"I feel your pain," like the first "man in lieu-of-president" used to say, though not as much. We're supposed to get hit with more snow here in New Jersey sometime late Sunday into Monday. How much, only Mr. Snow knows for sure. :) Traditionally, the first Sunday in March was always opening day at Raceway Park, Englishtown, NJ. Doesn't look like it this year.

M68

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Charlie
Yur an evil man. So, what's the little ladys name of the first hurricane this year??
Tag, yur it

liteweight

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Always have to bring that up, huh?

Arthur is the first storm name
Bertha is the first ladies name.

Just that knowledge is a bit unsettling! :eek:

Jack Thomas
 

http://110.imagebam.com/download/UYu...ack_thomas.jpg

http://112.imagebam.com/download/oKi..._thomas-02.jpg

M68

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From an 1973 issue of National Dragster:

http://112.imagebam.com/download/M22...ry_nowacki.jpg

M68

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For the faithfull followers an update:
I sent out ALOT of emails in the last week, with mixed results. One particular contact I've made (thanx M68) is a guy in New York, Lee Quinones, that lives very close to the old Manhatten Speed Shop building. The current buisness, Bronx Automotive is now run by Victor Doto, the son of the originating owner Joe Doto from Manhatten Speed. I have a voice mail in to Victor, just waiting on reply. Of interesting note (again thanx M68) is Nasty Nick of a couple posts back, with the yellow 68? Barracuda. Not only was he sponsored by Manhatten Speed, Lee tells me that Nick was a machinist in the back. So there is promise of him possibly working on the 68 Hemi Dart. I have an old email address to him, so that's high on the "send" list.
Mark Janaky is going a different route with some of his contacts, so, hopefully I'm going to know something either great or not so much great here in the near future.

Altho there is a visual likeness of my car in the early 80's to Jerry Nowacky's Dart from the early 70's, it's not the same car. The Nowaky Dart is confirmed to be Oldfields, & is currently residing in Mn, as per Mark Janaky. (I've gone that route a few years back)

liteweight

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...t1985_0001.jpg

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Glad to be of help. I know Lee very well. I met him in Staten Island in the mid-1980s during late night, unsanctioned acceleration trials. :) He was the official starter. :)

He's also famous for his artwork, an actor, and Mopar guy too.*

http://109.imagebam.com/download/Z13...%2Bartwork.jpg

http://109.imagebam.com/download/G3G...e_quinones.jpg

M68

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Qui%C3%B1ones

http://leequinones.com/index.php?page=studio00

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Why am I not surprised you know Lee. Sounds like a great,great guy that is very willing to help me out. He's pumped!!!. I too googled him a few days back & was absolutley astounded at his life accomplishments. Anyone who reads this you have to check him out at the below links. Love his sinister 65 also. I asked him if it had a Hemi? his reply was no,...but it sounds like one.
He hasn't mentioned anything about that picture to me yet. Hmmmm, wonder if theres any connexion between that silver Dart in the painting to the silver Hemi Dart out of Manhatten Speed................?????? A question that needs to be asked for sure!!
The street racing scene there at the time was very serious, with muchos $$$$$$ changing hands in these brawls. Race cars like the ex S&K Speed Shop,Brooklyn Heavy, Mutt Brothers Hemi Dart driven by Ronald Lyles along with an ex S&M BO29 barracuda made appearances. I've read a couple articles done durring that time.WOW!!!
Neat Cheet man!!!.
I'd look for links, but running out of time right now. If anyone cares to.....

gottago

liteweight

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From a few recent months where it seemed as though everything was stalled, now it feels like you're getting deeper into the scene where the history of your Dart may be hidden.

Turning over one stone at a time.

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This thread has been on again, off again for more times than I want to remember, usually associated with leads.Lot's of kutto's goes to the guys who have kept this thing alive in between by sharing some very cool pictures.

Kinda makes a person ponder if a certain silver Dart was involved in some of that hotn'heavy, highly frownd upon & illegal activity that took place on the streets of New York.......... Coooooolllllll !!!!!!!!

liteweight
ps some of those stones have been very heavy & flat in the past. Hope these new ones are alot rounder & lighter

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Oh, I've been around a little in the Mopar, muscle car, street and drag racing circles in days past.. :) Yeah, Lee's a "cool dude."

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4008/lqearly90s.jpg

Great observation! I'd say so.

M68

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You know when your just a little touched when a person notices that the Dart in the painting is not only silver, BUT,just happens to have the rear wheel well opening of a Hurst car. Oh, my gawd, what have I turned into. I've been looking @ waaaay too many pictures for waaaaaaaaaay too long

liteweight
liteweight

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There is NO cure for this madness.
All of us that are on this forum are victims of self inflicted "speeditis" in some form.

No "little blue pill" to fix it.

And you know what? I'm just fine with that. :D

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litweight, it may be something it may not .
contact scott shafiroff ,shafiroff racing. 800-295-7142 I know he is chev man, but back in the 70's he had sent me some NY cars for front end work some of them were hard core street racers.
He may be able to add something good to your ever mounting info pile

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I recently found out, through members on the Doverdragstrip site, that M&M Speed and Custom, who sponsored the "MISTER ED" Hemi Dart, had moved to Florida years ago. They have contacted the owner of M&M, who has a lot of info and more pics, and are getting him in touch with me.

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Congrats Dave!!!!! Great to hear your putting pieces of the puzzle together

Not so much on my end. I spoke with the originating owner of Manhatten Speed Shop today. He told me they never owned or sponsored any Hemi Dart,

Just another chapter in this car I don't understand. The car in the picture I'm convinced 99.9% as being the same as the one in my shop due to that dent. I'm just not getting it. Why has the car in pictures been tied with Manhatten Speed? I'm emailing Joe these pictures to see what he has to say?

liteweight


http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf939f2.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5e6a00ad.jpg

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Hey, I just noticed something in the bottom photo caption! It says Manhattan Speed Parts Dart and not Manhattan Speed Shop Dart.

The mystery continues...

Perhaps Ed Miller (still) remembers who the guy(s) he raced against were? Is he still around? Based on that atypical dent in the quarter panel same as on your car at one time, one can only logically conclude that the Manhattan Speed Parts Hemi Dart is your car. It has to be!

M68

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Spoke with Ed Miller, he does not remember anything about this Dart.

Good eye on Speed Parts rather than Speed Shop.
Anyone ever hear of Pomona Speed Shop in NY?

liteweight