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Re: Super class survey

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Originally Posted by roseracing (Post 226912)

4. Banning electronics from Super Classes? That seems like a step in the wrong direction (even though Jason Oldfield may disagree). If it's available and affordable - then why not allow it? It makes for closer racing. Just my opinion. (And yes Jason, our closest race is 4.5 hours away. No local tracks close to us either. Check it out, my zip code is 68776).

5. Capping the MPH is an easy idea "on paper" (and not a bad idea), but almost unrealistic (per Chris Williams post). That will never happen.

6. Splitting the 9.90 class into 2 classes (one for door cars and one for roadsters) is a different idea. Let me take that idea one step further and simply allow the Super Gas "roadsters" to race in Top Sportsman.

Brad Rose

Brad,

4. I believe you. My issue is not that the electronics are available and affordable, because for the most part they are (for about $1,000, you can have all the electronics you need to be competitive). My issue is that by allowing everybody to run the $1,000 in electronics, people are then required to spend another $10,000+ in engine upgrades to keep themselves competitive. And please nobody tell me that there isn't an advantage to being the faster car that is chasing. There is, and if the vast majority of the people didn't feel this way, the speeds would not have crept up in the Super classes like they have. Does being the faster car guarantee you a win? Obviously not, but it certainly makes it easier (just like the faster car has the advantage in the classes with handicapped head starts).

My other issue with the electronics is that it takes more of the driver aspect out of the classes. Again, not to say that better drivers won't win more races than not-so-good drivers, but let's take the electronics out of it and put it more back into the hands of the drivers.

5. Agreed. Again, this is easy to implement (it's a software change, big deal - we all upgrade our computers ourselves, so I'm sure the track operators can certainly accomplish this on their own), though I don't believe this is a realistic change (and if you get rid of the electronics, it is completely unnecessary).

6. I LOVE the idea of letting left-hand steer roadsters compete in T/S. I have NEVER understood why they aren't allowed. This doesn't completely solve the current issue in S/G, but it's a good start (plus it gives racers more options).

Well written and thought out response Brad...

Re: Super class survey

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Originally Posted by Jason Oldfield (Post 226959)

5. Agreed. Again, this is easy to implement (it's a software change, big deal - we all upgrade our computers ourselves, so I'm sure the track operators can certainly accomplish this on their own)

This is a naive response. I have 25+ years in the software business, and get pulled aside at every track I go to answering software questions. Track operators are among the worst. I've seen computers that are 15 years old, and software that hasn't been upgraded since the Clinton administration. They all work on the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality.

And, more importantly, such a change would almost certainly come at a cost from the vendor (read: Compulink). They'd only put the change into the latest version, I'm sure. So there would be cost to upgrade, and maybe even a need newer computers. Most track operators I know are exceptionally reluctant to spend money on this kind of thing.

Finally, as I said above, the rules would be just silly and complex.

In short, this would never happen. You need to find another way to solve the perceived problem of people going "too fast" (this is racing, right?).

Re: Super class survey

[QUOTE=Jason Oldfield;226959]Brad,

6. I LOVE the idea of letting left-hand steer roadsters compete in T/S. I have NEVER understood why they aren't allowed. This doesn't completely solve the current issue in S/G, but it's a good start (plus it gives racers more options).

Jason, the issue with roadsters in TS is most of them have frames which will certify only down to 8.50 seconds. A complete rebuild will be in order to meet the TS guidelines for them and be too costly for most racers.
Just My 2 Cents
Rick Cates

Re: Super class survey

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Originally Posted by BKSG1198 (Post 226921)

Leave the indexes the way they are....it doesn't matter if you go 190mph or 120mph the only thing that matters is who can light that little light bulb at the end of the race track....correct? You can run 180-190 mph all day long but if you can't put the car on a .90 then there is only place you will be....in the trailer on the way home. If your worried about putting fans in the stands....come on now who are we kidding! We can do away with timers and stops but there still will be nobody in the stands to watch the .90 classes. 90% of the people come to National Events to watch the John Force Circus and if they are in the stands during .90 racing it's because they don't want to lose their seats.

Very well said!
Pat I.

Re: Super class survey

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Originally Posted by bryan gillespie (Post 226780)

here's a idea, those who havn't run a div. Or a nat in the last 3 yrs stfu

lol!

Re: Super class survey

Well I may regret it, but I voted. As I said my junk won't run 7.90s and I choose not to spend the $ to run it! However, change should benefit the majority not the minority so I chose to compromise, I voted 8.50 in S/C.
Not having a crystal ball to see the big picture, I feel this may level the playing field somewhat. or at least make it closer racing.
Besides, my neck hurts .....I'm not Linda Blair!

Rick

Re: Super class survey

Rick, your car will run 8.50 ok wont it?

Re: Super class survey

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Originally Posted by Rick Bailey (Post 227051)

Besides, my neck hurts .....I'm not Linda Blair!

You have to be a certain age to get that one, but that's funny right there... :p

Re: Super class survey

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Originally Posted by TS310C (Post 227052)

Rick, your car will run 8.50 ok wont it?

Maybe not the right Rick but here is my answer to the question.

I have not run it all out but it should run about 8.00 at sea level, however when I certified it last year they put a 8.50 or slower cert. sticker on it.
I was told it did not have the proper bars for a quicker ET.
I am not sure why but I was told it was an issue with the bars under the drivers seat and most all the roadsters are built that way. Mine has a single angle bar under the seat and not the X bracing required is what I was told.
I am no expert in the SFI requirements for the frames.
I have not voted and will just run what I can for as long as I can. I love the sport but age is beginning to catch up with me. I will continue until I can no longer climb in and get back out of the car. That is one reason I went to roadster several years ago. They are easier to get in and out of for me.
Lets Just Have Fun with whatever the rules are as long as the rules are the same for all of us.
Just My 2 Cents
Rick Cates

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Ryan,

I should be ok with 8.50, I have gone 8.16 with it, but in the condition it's in now (just tired need freshened) it's good for maybe a 25 to 30. And Hayden is now driving so that a 100lbs to good...........No comments from the peanunt gallery please !!
The 8.50 should be alittle more fun.

You got an extra bullit laying around .........lol lol

Chris;
Guess I'm aging myself ain't I. hehhehehe