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Byron Worner 07-09-2014 02:56 PM
Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 437387)
Dunno, I'd posed it as a question myself earlier. It would require some research and common sense. FWD Stockers have a static 100lb weight difference between sticks & automatics. SS/GT Trucks have a weight break for automatics that is "5% or 250 lbs, whichever is less". Again, they'd have to do some research, but would probably end up something like the latter. I don't see that the administration would be much different than what they're doing now, except you wouldn't have a single engine combination with 3 different HP factors! :p
So What happens when they go fast? Keep adding weight to different cars? Now you really have a mess!

cutta 07-09-2014 03:07 PM
Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron Worner (Post 437392)
So you want to give an Achieva the same weight penalty as a brand new East Texas Cobalt?
Surprisingly enough, the drag coefficient's of both cars are nearly the same. 0.32 and 0.33

SSDiv6 07-09-2014 03:19 PM
Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com
 
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Originally Posted by cutta (Post 437398)
Surprisingly enough, the drag coefficient's of both cars are nearly the same. 0.32 and 0.33
The real difference is who builds the car!
There are big differences and approaches between the builders.

Bryan Worner 07-10-2014 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 437391)
Dick, so your proposal only considers a specific generic model of a car?

Everyone has a like for the choice and brand of cars they like to race in Super Stock.
There are people that like to race a station wagon, others a sedan, etc...

If you are proposing putting a limit and utilizing a specific model of car, the proposal is not going to fly with the racers. The class was built on cars many of us have or drive daily, many of them with nostalgic memories.
There is a limit, it's called the classification guide!

Dick Butler 07-10-2014 08:35 AM
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Div 6. No I propose re-creating a Super Mod type class. Don't do away with anything else yet. Create a class for those who WANT limitations that ease their budget. People who WANT to stop rebuilding another car, seeing HP of new car in their class unrealistic. People who Want an alternative to Mega $ motors and chassis.
Give them an index for points meets. Chose the limitations to make it ALL the same numbers if you want. Let the rest of the people race the wagons, the Blown-injected factory cars but let people have a cheaper entry level of real Heads up class racing instead of Bogus Hp winners or Bogus chassis winners. After all that's the complaint you see from many in this thread, uneven factoring and allowances on Gt chassis.
Then workers will be winners, not only cash to change your combination.

Ed Wright 07-10-2014 09:13 AM
Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cutta (Post 437398)
Surprisingly enough, the drag coefficient's of both cars are nearly the same. 0.32 and 0.33
Where do you get that data?

Andys dad 07-10-2014 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 437465)
Where do you get that data?
That's what I was wondering ..

Must be true - I saw it on the internet - LMAO

Ron

Bobby DiDomenico 07-10-2014 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 437465)
Where do you get that data?
Had used this:
http://mechdb.com/index.php/Vehicle_..._of_drag_specs

or this:
http://ecomodder.com/wiki/index.php/...t_of_Drag_List

as comparison sources, probably more sources available.

5919 SSKA 07-10-2014 10:32 AM
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My only gripe in any of this is that the cars that 'trigger' the Hp...should be torn down and pass before Hp is handed out.

Thanks Mr South for the needless 4Hp gift on my 305 combo. Just enough to keep me from running Indy this year for the 1st time in my life like I had planed. Our JA average was safe, our LA average was safe, but 2 cars running KA hit it at -1.04 under and their average was -.91 under....so, it screws everyone.

Nitro Joe Jackson 07-10-2014 10:34 AM
Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com
 
in my latest stats only 10 FWD drive cars are are the fastest in the GT classes
hope that 55 chevy doesn't go to fast, he might get his body HP'ed, lol
GT/A … 1837 … Anthony Scinto … '94 Cavalier
GT/B … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/C … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/D … 354 … Ernie Neal … '05 Cavalier
GT/E … 5518 … Mark Jenkins … '02 Cavalier
GT/G … 3858 … Dan Jacobs … '05 Cavalier
GT/H … 1473 … Ray Scardelli … '97 Probe
GT/I … 5270 … Tim Nicholson … '67 Chevy II
GT/J … 2134 … Everett Hill … '64 Mustang
GT/K … 3997 … Bill Zaskowski … '66 Chevy II
GT/L … P270 … Rickey Pennington … '81 Malibu
GT/M … 6278 … Michael Parmenter … '55 Chevy
GT/AA … 1108 … Gary Richard … '10 Mustang
GT/BA … 2428 … Andy Fogle … '05 Cavilier
GT/CA … 3028 … Jerry Silveus … '05 Cavalier
GT/DA … 2207 … Jeff Taylor … '10 Cobalt
GT/EA … 1122 … TJ Boucher … '87 Camaro
GT/FA … 1409 … Eric Bardekoff … '68 Barracuda
GT/GA … 318 … Dan Kyle … '87 Firebird
GT/HA … 1140 … Tom Boucher … '85 Pontiac
GT/IA … 1231 … Victor Santos … '85 Firebird
GT/JA … 2619 … Joe Tysinger … '87 Firebird
GT/KA … 2117 … Glen Treadwell … '87 Camaro
GT/LA … 2117 … Glen Tredwell … '87 Camaro
GT/MA … 554 … Ron Roddel … '02 Grand Am


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