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tiremaster 10-09-2017 04:07 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 547233)
Two things Gene. 1.) I wrote you last year and offered help with your organization of the S/SS format. Never got a response. As I am the President of the SSSSA I would have thought you would want some input. Guess not. When you state that you want input and "please give me input", you really should mean it. At least you could have said "no thanks".
2.) Not sure what the thinking is to place a race 100 miles from an NHRA race on the same weekend, not just once but I see you're doing again this year. You know the definition of insanity don't you?
I ceratinly have nothing against the NMCA for sure! We (SSSSA) have been including your cars in our races for over 6 years. We were the first to do that as well as welcome all IHRA classes. I would certainly attend your race in Bradenton if it wasn't on top of an NHRA points race! I don't understand why you did this ....AGAIN! You waht to double of triple your car count? Change the date! I learned very early that you never try to compete with the NHRA races. Jim


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They do the same thing with Norwalk NMCA being against Bowling Green NHRA Div. 3 and now Indy NMCA againt Gateway NHRA Nat.'s

Dan Fahey 10-09-2017 04:15 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Hello ALL:

Just got off the phone with Jim Campisano from NMCA.

DanSources has just become a non-automotive sponsor for Pure Stock with NMCA.

We also had a long conversation about the races, racers, public and discussed all the Independent S/SS, Comp, .90 Series listed in Class Racer could bring to NMCA.

Association Presidents the door is open.
Contact them and see what you call can work out.

Go to the NMCA "Contact Us" icon you can see all their names.
Jim was former Division 1 racer now living in Sarasota.

I like their format and rules.
Friendly like IHRA but better.

Call them and what you can work out with NMRA.

Hey Crate Motor racers the $10 Bet you cannot beat me is STILL ON !! :eek:

Dan

Frito 10-09-2017 04:56 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
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Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 547106)
Does any one remember AHRA?

Ron (former GT3 national event competitor and champion)
Jim Tice

Andys dad 10-09-2017 07:07 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frito (Post 547269)
Jim Tice
Are you senior?

Ron

Cdncarnut 10-09-2017 07:14 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldskool (Post 547255)
This is a real simple deal, which I'm sure has been discussed here MANY times.

MOST racers cannot afford a really competitive Stock/SS car. And, if they can build a car that will barely run under the index, they know that they'll lose almost every heads-up race.

On the other hand, lots of guys can build a really competitive bracket car, for a fraction of the cost of a competitive S/SS car, of similar ET.

Also, there are LOTS of places to race, and LOTS of big purse races, where they will be welcomed. According to what I've read here, many of you guys have very few places to race, without long tows, and when you get there, the entry fees are high, you are not treated very well, and you run for small purses.

So, this is really a no-brainer. Bracket racing is the only thing that has kept MOST drag strips open. So, it seems to me that you guys who wanna race only Stock & Super Stock cars, will just have to be content to race at the current venues available to you, switch to bracket racing, or quit racing.

I've raced & won both class & bracket races. I enjoyed the bracket racing much more. Without bracket racing, most all the small tracks we ran would have closed back in the late '70's. Right now, I don't have a dog in the hunt. Just offering an opinion, which is what guys do on forums. So, there's no need for any badmouthing.
People can afford to build a competitive Class car. However, they choose to spend their money on exotic motorhomes for the track.
Do you want a competitive car or do you want to live in luxury at the track?

Steve1118 10-09-2017 07:42 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdncarnut (Post 547280)
People can afford to build a competitive Class car. However, they choose to spend their money on exotic motorhomes for the track.
Do you want a competitive car or do you want to live in luxury at the track?
What world do you live in? When we ran class, to rebuild a torqueflite we went to NAPA and got a rebuild kit. Now, one has to have some 'trick' trans with 904 innards that will not last. I've got a good pal with a Stocker Ford that has more money in his heads than I have in a complete NSS 426 Hemi motor. He also has a 3K converter and some kind of trick transmission that cost thousands. At 65, I don't event WANT to get into that. Who can blame anyone for not wanting to sleep in the pickup? That may be part of the problem, why the counts are so low.

Most guys also have families, and there are other priorities in life than having a 'competitive class car'. Like bills.

You might want to think about what you say before you say it.

Bill Bogues 10-09-2017 07:59 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Nmca looks ok but not very good for div 4 racers.

Frito 10-09-2017 08:21 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Steve 1118, how about $5,000 + for the latest trick 727 with 904 innards? Yep they are are there.

boxmotorsports 10-09-2017 08:21 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
This is terrible news for sure. But, shame on us as a Stock/Super Stock community for not supporting IHRA. IHRA welcomed us with open arms to run double events and virtually NO ONE showed up. I went to US131, Empire and Pittsburg this summer and the car counts at these IHRA-sanctioned races were unbelievably low.
Just last week I had a lengthy conversation with Scooter Peco from IHRA and he expressed the frustration from their end with the low car counts in Stock and Super Stock, as well as the other sportsman classes. No one can expect sponsors to continue to hand over money to classes when the car counts are so low.
Twenty years ago we started the Can-Am Stock/Super Stock Association and it has continued to thrive and grow as a local series. I also raced a Great Lakes Stock/Super Stock race at Milan this year. They, too, are continuing to grow. I know other similar associations exist all over the United States and Canada.
I suggest that we build on the strength of these independent, smaller associations by bringing them loosely together under the umbrella of the IHRA or NMCA, or whatever sanctioning body can make use of this idea. This could happen by allowing each regional association to have one or two sanctioned events, using the sanctioning body's points system to accumulate points towards one national champion at the end of the season. For example, in Division 3, include two races for the Buckeye Series, two races for the GLSSSA and two for the Can-Am S/SS Series,as part of each association's regular schedule. From these races, a Division Champion could be crowned wherever the sanctioning body holds its finals.
This idea wouldn't cost a sanctioning body any major money, but would strengthen both sides of the relationship.

Doug Box

Dan Fahey 10-09-2017 08:39 PM
Re: IHRA Ends Stock & Super Stock Racing
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by boxmotorsports (Post 547288)
This is terrible news for sure. But, shame on us as a Stock/Super Stock community for not supporting IHRA. IHRA welcomed us with open arms to run double events and virtually NO ONE showed up. I went to US131, Empire and Pittsburg this summer and the car counts at these IHRA-sanctioned races were unbelievably low.
Just last week I had a lengthy conversation with Scooter Peco from IHRA and he expressed the frustration from their end with the low car counts in Stock and Super Stock, as well as the other sportsman classes. No one can expect sponsors to continue to hand over money to classes when the car counts are so low.
Twenty years ago we started the Can-Am Stock/Super Stock Association and it has continued to thrive and grow as a local series. I also raced a Great Lakes Stock/Super Stock race at Milan this year. They, too, are continuing to grow. I know other similar associations exist all over the United States and Canada.
I suggest that we build on the strength of these independent, smaller associations by bringing them loosely together under the umbrella of the IHRA or NMCA, or whatever sanctioning body can make use of this idea. This could happen by allowing each regional association to have one or two sanctioned events, using the sanctioning body's points system to accumulate points towards one national champion at the end of the season. For example, in Division 3, include two races for the Buckeye Series, two races for the GLSSSA and two for the Can-Am S/SS Series,as part of each association's regular schedule. From these races, a Division Champion could be crowned wherever the sanctioning body holds its finals.
This idea wouldn't cost a sanctioning body any major money, but would strengthen both sides of the relationship.

Doug Box
Well said!
D


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