Originally Posted by tstickff (Post 602652)

If it was the Sunday ASRA race that would have been different. If the seventy dollars was that important I wish you would have told me before the round.

Barry, your missing the point, no it wasn’t for $75 dollars actually, is was a few hundred bucks I believe, I can verify with Greg Sutherland since he won, but that’s not the point, if you aren’t concerned with whatever the win money was, because clearly you have that much money, then clearly you could have afforded the test and tune class that was operating that day and not messed up a perfectly good gamblers race because the difference was $25 to enter the gamblers compared to $75 or whatever the test and tune fee was. But yes you beat me, it was your choice to not continue, but for a younger guy like me having fun and enjoying time with my family racing, after your comment took the wind out of my sail and quite frankly the rest of the actual race.

Tim even though it's not your business I paid for both. Greg ended up with 200 for the win. I believe I received 125. It was 25 to enter how much did you think it paid. Sorry that I ruined your time with your family and took the wind out of your sails. The next time if there is one I will go into more detail why I decided not to run the final. But I have to ask you if I let you beat me would you have been ok with that. I know if someone was to take a dive for me I wouldn't feel like I really won. And not to upset you again but you have no say on how I race my car. That simple. Didn't think you were one of those that needed a participation trophy.

Oh and for the record, I appreciate your offer on the free speed secrets, but you can keep them, we are plenty fast.

Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 602649)

Tim First no where did I say you needed a 100,000 dollar car to race Stock. I think your car is sweet. And I don't care what class you run. You apparently don't know me at all. I ran a R/SA car for years and competed on a budget far less than most. I would think between your car trailer and tow vehicle that you guys have more than 25k involved. My point to this whole conversation was that Stock is not cheap!!! It's great that you work hard on your car. So do I. A lot of people think you just spend money and your car goes fast. Next time we are at a race together talk to me or my brother. We have been at it for a long time and could give you some cheap things to try.

Now lets set the record straight on the race you are talking about. It was a Saturday. The ASRA had a run off of the top 16 members that day and a members race on Sunday. And yes I'm a member and planned on racing on Sunday's race. I went on Saturday to do some testing. I heard that they were putting on a gamblers race for those that were not in the top 16. I don't get out to race much so thought I would join to get some practice. I believe we raced in the 3 round. I won. There was no bye the next round was the final. It was getting close to the end of the day and they wanted to hot lap the cars that were left. I had made the decision after that round not to run my car after making several test runs and then going a few rounds. If I remember the difference in money was 75 dollars. In my head I weighted it out and didn't think it was worth it to take a chance on cooking a trany or hurting parts. You said something to me and I said I didn't need the money. We were talking about 75 dollars. Don't know you well so I didn't think I needed to go into why I wasn't going to race the next round. Again I won the round with you so it was my choice. If it was the Sunday ASRA race that would have been different. If the seventy dollars was that important I wish you would have told me before the round. So I'm a littler confused why you are mad at me. Is it that I beat you or that I thought the seventy dollars wasn't worth me taking a chance on hurting any parts. It's just not a cheap class to run no matter what car you have. BP

Originally Posted by The Hawk (Post 602539)

I do !!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Jim Whitehead (Post 602660)

For the record I do believe Barry said he is NOT a fan of lowering the indexes, but would like to see NHRA do something about the AFHS.
Barry I think you may be wrong in thinking that no new or young people want to get into stock. My son joined the ranks this year, and I have another one behind him.
You are correct stock is not cheap anymore, however lowering the indexes won't help.
Stock needs to stay as a entry level class. We need to keep it affordable for new and young people to come join us and Learn. Let's show them what it takes to work on a car and let them want to get faster for the heads up races. If we just keep changing indexes and rules just to suite the faster cars we will have NO future.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 602608)

Glen, What if the heads up is in the final on Sunday? Nobody wants to go to work at 6 pm Sunday, least of all, the tech guys.
Too many 1.20 under runs lately..Raise the trigger ..then no more goodies for five years.

Originally Posted by rod butcher (Post 602683)

I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet.
For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents