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Lenny5160 12-28-2021 06:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 654595)
I fully understand how "spot dropping" works. I've spent the better part of my life in a slower-than-normal car.
What I am questioning is, can a "good" car be set up to use the data loggers timer (set up to start on WOT) and drive shaft sensor or wheel sensor to "turn on" something like a shift light at a certain point on the track to "alert" the driver to lift? I know that it's possible but is it practical? Ya know, kinda like a matty box but not exactly (is that a dirty term?). I have been around long enough to know that a couple of great drivers have been caught with them AND delay boxes.
If one was going through all the trouble to measure time and distance, there would be much more effective uses for it than a 'drop here' indicator.

I've never had a data logger, but the logger can't 'talk back' to the ignition box, can it? In it's standard-issue form, anyway?

Frank Castros 12-28-2021 06:22 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
I followed Super Street eliminations this year on Live Timing and this strategy has gained popularity in that class.

Billy Nees 12-28-2021 06:42 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
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Originally Posted by Lenny5160 (Post 654596)
I've never had a data logger, but the logger can't 'talk back' to the ignition box, can it? In it's standard-issue form, anyway?
THAT'S what the grid is for! And YES, the data logger CAN talk to the ignition box.

So, you're talking about "21ST Century spot dropping" without knowing what you're talking about. At least that's what I'm talking about.

Billy Nees 12-28-2021 06:50 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 654472)
I'd like to see them go back to no data loggers can be connected during eliminations AND NO GRIDS! I'd ALSO like to see Tech arbitrarily swapping out Racers ignition boxes.
Ya know, I'm going to go back to my original post. Larry, I'm sorry for hijacking your thread even though it has taken an interesting turn.

Now, are down-track timers legal? Are roll-out counters legal? Hey NHRA, WAKE UP! Are they legal or not? If they are, then fix your rule book! If they're not then get the data loggers and grids out of the cars during eliminations!
Thank You!!!!!!!!!

Frank Castros 12-28-2021 07:00 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
When was the last time a N.H.R.A. or I.H.RA. class racer has been exposed for using electronics to enhance their performance?
May I coin a phrase "The Viagra Principle".

Lenny5160 12-28-2021 07:01 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 654597)
I followed Super Street eliminations this year on Live Timing and this strategy has gained popularity in that class.
In my experience with Super Street and Super Comp, there's way more finish line activity in Super Comp.

I've never gotten the feeling that anything untoward is going on though.

If I were to have time/distance information available, I could perhaps make a better decision at the finish line but a spot drop is still introducing more variables than other techniques might. Reacting consistently to the stimuli, applying consistent brake pressure, etc.

Could it be done? Maybe. Do I think that's how it would most effectively be deployed? No.

Frank Castros 12-28-2021 07:17 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
Lenny,
I saw many 60' numbers in the 1.45 range or better that ran close to or on the 10.90 index. For 600+hp combos that led me to believe they were employing a "throttle stop" or "Grid" technology at the other end?

Lenny5160 12-28-2021 07:42 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 654602)
Lenny,
I saw many 60' numbers in the 1.45 range or better that ran close to or on the 10.90 index. For 600+hp combos that led me to believe they were employing a "throttle stop" or "Grid" technology at the other end?
There are quite a few guys that are competitive in Super Street simply using weight and/or shift point. Some can put it on the number that way, and some get it close and then drive it from there.

You'd need to look at more than just 60' to know what the method is.

I can't say that nobody is cheating. I can 100% say that there are WAY more smart, creative, and talented drivers than there are electronic cheaters out there.

Frank Castros 12-28-2021 07:44 PM
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Isn't this technology legal is SST?

Frank Castros 12-28-2021 08:17 PM
Re: Can We Un-ring The Bell
 
My SST theory is with all that stumbling and bumbling crap that exists on the starting line I think I would like to have a big lead in a heads up race and certainly if I was confident I could control the 10.90 number at the finish line. The average reaction times in SST are not all that stellar.


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