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Mark Yacavone 07-27-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iraceitall (Post 337613)
Mark, I think you nailed it with a 14sec, 5K car. That's my target. If it were in Montana I would consider it more. Stupid me wants to do it on his own and with a Ford. I figured out it's not so much about looking at what you have available to build, but more about what combos to look at and go find. I have asked some noob questions, but I am learning though...anyways, 14 seconds or less for 5k or less is a dime rocket to me, that'd be about 10% of a "fast" car I would venture to guess...

1982 Mustang 302..Q/SA

Rory McNeil 07-28-2012 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 337639)
1982 Mustang 302..Q/SA

If thats the GT 5.0 HO combination, it should be stick only.

Robert Swartz 07-28-2012 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 337433)
So just what IS a Dime Rocket to YOU?

Dime Rocket = something you can "afford to race". Keyword being race. If one wants to win consistantly, the dimes will start to add up, quickly.

Truth is, there's no such thing as an "affordable" race car. There may be/are cars that cost less or may be/are inexpensive. It doesn't matter if you're running a lowly 4 cyl ;-) in the slow brackets or a T/F dragster, they all cost and the cost is relative to what we as individuals can afford!

I enjoy these threads. Opens up my eyes to some of the different combos out there. Funny you brought up that 82 302ci Mustang, Mark. I had an offer to trade a motorcycle I had for that very car about 4-5 years back. Would've been a great stocker, car only had about 60K. 2nd owner car, body was solid, paint fair, interior near perfect. At the time I just didn't need another car. Also, it was the wife's bike, she wanted cash, otherwise, I was tempted.

Billy Nees 07-28-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 337650)
If thats the GT 5.0 HO combination, it should be stick only.

NHRA accepts it with an auto.

VStock 07-28-2012 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 337433)
Is 5 K too much for a 14 second, sub index RWD car? Apparently so.

Mark, I would have bought that Monza already except for a couple of reasons. 1. It's in Arizona, I'm in Michigan 2. I already have a 67 El Camino, several 230s to build, headers, etc. 3. My goal is to see how fast I can get a 230 to run.
But you're right - it would make more sense to spend $5K on a car that already runs under the index than to spend time and money on a car that may(or may not) run under the index.

VStock 07-28-2012 08:18 PM

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Okay, what about a 1982 Camaro with a 4 cylinder for W/S and W/SA?

Mark Yacavone 07-28-2012 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VStock (Post 337751)
Okay, what about a 1982 Camaro with a 4 cylinder for W/S and W/SA?

What about a 3.0 V6 Monza with 5 less hp on it?

cicero819 07-29-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VStock (Post 337751)
Okay, what about a 1982 Camaro with a 4 cylinder for W/S and W/SA?

I've never seen a 3rd generation Camaro with a 4 cyl. I know that the option existed for California only(with aluminum Hood) but no production number are available? do you own such a Camaro? Claude

Pat Cook 07-29-2012 01:25 AM

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82 5 liter can run an auto? that's interesting, it also can run the 1.21 carb? and the dual snorkel air cleaner? did 82 use the truck heads?

Tom keedle 07-29-2012 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 337767)
I've never seen a 3rd generation Camaro with a 4 cyl. I know that the option existed for California only(with aluminum Hood) but no production number are available? do you own such a Camaro? Claude

i've seen one.....it was full of hail dents but there it was

Billy Nees 07-29-2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 337767)
I've never seen a 3rd generation Camaro with a 4 cyl. I know that the option existed for California only(with aluminum Hood) but no production number are available? do you own such a Camaro? Claude

I had an 82 with a 4 speed. I think it could be done on a "dime" if you could find a dana 44 service package rear for it.

Billy Nees 07-29-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat Cook (Post 337771)
82 5 liter can run an auto? that's interesting, it also can run the 1.21 carb? and the dual snorkel air cleaner? did 82 use the truck heads?

Marine heads, .429 cam and 1.21 carb. Duh, when you write it all down it starts to look pretty good at 162 HP doesn't it.

VStock 07-29-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 337767)
I've never seen a 3rd generation Camaro with a 4 cyl. I know that the option existed for California only(with aluminum Hood) but no production number are available? do you own such a Camaro? Claude

I almost bought an 84 with a 4 cyl when I was working in Colorado. I've seen an 82 in Michigan with the 4 cyl, but couldn't make a deal.

Dave Turner 07-29-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 337781)
I had an 82 with a 4 speed. I think it could be done on a "dime" if you could find a dana 44 service package rear for it.

Where do you dig up these gems of information Uncle Billy? :eek:

Joe Toller 07-29-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 337767)
I've never seen a 3rd generation Camaro with a 4 cyl. I know that the option existed for California only(with aluminum Hood) but no production number are available? do you own such a Camaro? Claude

They exist, Firebirds too. Don't hate me for this, but during my demo derby "career", I have used one in a compact class. Very tough car.

Dwight Southerland 07-29-2012 01:07 PM

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Coleman Roddy's National Championship '82 FIrebird MP car started out as a 4-cyl 4-speed.

Mark Yacavone 07-29-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 337650)
If thats the GT 5.0 HO combination, it should be stick only.

Rory, We need one of those Mavericks to bolt a 1.21 , 2150 on it and report back ..
That's your assignment, should you choose to accept it...

Billy Nees 07-29-2012 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Turner (Post 337808)
Where do you dig up these gems of information Uncle Billy? :eek:

Years and years of working on lots and lots of cars.

Billy Nees 07-29-2012 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 337782)
Marine heads, .429 cam and 1.21 carb. Duh, when you write it all down it starts to look pretty good at 162 HP doesn't it.

.419/.443 cam, my bad.

Mark, the 82 has a different intake to go with the big carb but it should fit on a small carb manifold. I'm guessing.

James Perrone 07-29-2012 06:38 PM

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How about a 71 comet.?.Local craigs list add has a a clean one for $2000

Billy Nees 07-29-2012 07:58 PM

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Hi James, 72 Comet is OK, not great. Same as the Div.6 Mavericks.

Charlie A 07-30-2012 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 337767)
I've never seen a 3rd generation Camaro with a 4 cyl. I know that the option existed for California only(with aluminum Hood) but no production number are available? do you own such a Camaro? Claude

About 6 years ago I bought (at a garage sale) an 82 , 4 cylinder automatic Camaro. Paid $300 for it. Put some new plugs and a fender on it. Ran around the county in it for about 6 months until a local offered me $750 for a driver for his wife.
Often thought it would make a cheap class car. TBI and as worn out as it was......it pulled pretty good for a 4 banger.
Another friend built a 4 banger Firebird for his son to drive to school. Threw the engine in a swamp somewhere and stuck a 305 in it.

joe cool 07-30-2012 11:25 AM

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OK ,I am a bracket racer,don't send a hit man I know what site I'm on. I also have been racing since 1962 so I'm not new. The Dime Rocket thing sounds very interesting as I could in fact bracket race it also. I am a better fabricator than tuner and thats the problem. How realistic is it for someone who is not a tuning genius to attempt one of these? Assembling the car should not be a problem but figuring that last few hundreds may be beyond my capabilities.
I also was under the impression that if you was lucky enough to jump out there with a car running a second or so under NHRA would slap you real hard and rerate your combo. Am I correct or just missinformed?
Because they are plentiful are the G body wagons a decent choice, Olds,Pontiac and Buick included?
Thanks fellas ,this is fun and interesting reading

69Cobra 07-30-2012 04:57 PM

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Alright, I have to ask your alls opinion on this. '97 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 3.8 supercharged. It is a natural AF car with an index of 13.85 I believe. I've been thinking about this because I have one sitting in the drive way that was my wife's car for the last 13 years. Its been a great car really and it still runs very good for having 250k miles on it. I'm pretty confident with a little work it would run in the 12's but is it worth it?

Paul Wong 07-30-2012 05:29 PM

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[QUOTE=69Cobra;338034]Alright, I have to ask your alls opinion on this. '97 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 3.8 supercharged. It is a natural AF car with an index of 13.85 I believe. I've been thinking about this because I have one sitting in the drive way that was my wife's car for the last 13 years. Its been a great car really and it still runs very good for having 250k miles on it. I'm pretty confident with a little work it would run in the 12's but is it worth it?[/QUOTE

This is a good combo. Front drive and supercharger add to inconsistency but it will run very well. 12's will be real easy.

Tom P 07-30-2012 05:47 PM

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What about 66 Shelby Cobra? There are several engine options for the 427. I think it can fit AAA stick with some ballast.

SHELBY 1966
427 427 427
425hp 480hp 505hp
COBRA Roadster
5.36 4.75 4.51

Might not get much change back from that dime but it'd be cool.

jmantle 07-30-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 337842)
Rory, We need one of those Mavericks to bolt a 1.21 , 2150 on it and report back ..
That's your assignment, should you choose to accept it...

It was tried at the Seattle divisional last year or the year before and the guy got caught.
From what I understand, it's worth about 3 tenths. I was thinking about a 304 AMC until I figured out I would have to run a 1.08.

Jim Mantle U/V/SA 68

SStockDart 07-30-2012 11:21 PM

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http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/3108858445.html

Turbo Grand Prix

Ron Middleton 07-31-2012 09:28 AM

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Turbo McLaren GP isn't in class guide. Won't work.

david ring 07-31-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VStock (Post 337751)
Okay, what about a 1982 Camaro with a 4 cylinder for W/S and W/SA?

Pat Hennebery told me a number of years ago that he was building one of these-but then he went nostalgia racing with his Camaro.

treessavoy 07-31-2012 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom P (Post 338053)
What about 66 Shelby Cobra? There are several engine options for the 427. I think it can fit AAA stick with some ballast.

SHELBY 1966
427 427 427
425hp 480hp 505hp
COBRA Roadster
5.36 4.75 4.51

Might not get much change back from that dime but it'd be cool.


Not much change from a Million dollar bill!

JimR

qwiked 07-31-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptCobrajet (Post 332546)
Yes, it's what 's left of me...........lol. That's the least expensive FE combo on the planet. It is the only 4-barrel 352 with a good factor, and it was only in '64 and '65 big cars. It is a killer for Stock. I have had the SS version on the dyno. A Fox-Body box top Mustang with one of those is a killer for SS also, but a different topic than this thread...............

Seriously, you can still poke around and find a nice '64 Ford that wouldn't need paint for reasonable cost, and the suspension on that one would not be major either. A C-4 goes right in. I just bought a manifold with a carb on it for $35. Some leftover valvetrain from someones 390 or CJ Stocker.................etc.

There is a SS/GTJ 83 Mustang laying in a garage in Yakima WA--Pieces originally from a National Record holding SS/O 64 Custom --Back in the day this car and Kip Martin"s 64 Galaxie 500XL were very competitive--

Rory McNeil 08-01-2012 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by qwiked (Post 338303)
There is a SS/GTJ 83 Mustang laying in a garage in Yakima WA--Pieces originally from a National Record holding SS/O 64 Custom --Back in the day this car and Kip Martin"s 64 Galaxie 500XL were very competitive--

Is that Jerry Pruitts SS/GT Mustang?If so, I haven`t seen the car (or Jerry) in a number of years, I think he only ran it a couple of years. He used to run the 352 and 4 speed in a big 64 Ford Custom 2 door sedan.I`ll never forget watching that big tank grabbing 2nd gear about 20 feet from the starting line.

Jay H. 08-01-2012 03:37 AM

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Last I heard of Jerry he was the sales manager for Steven Hahns VW audi dealership. He got married for the 3 or 4 time wife put the stop to car. He was having rocker problems with the old 352. If had spent half as much time working on the car as trying to get dual quad setup legalized the car might have worked

Tim Ellis 08-01-2012 10:42 AM

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Rory, I talked to the owner a few months ago. It was for sale then, likely it still is. If I looked hard enough I could probably find a phone #.

qwiked 08-01-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 338327)
Is that Jerry Pruitts SS/GT Mustang?If so, I haven`t seen the car (or Jerry) in a number of years, I think he only ran it a couple of years. He used to run the 352 and 4 speed in a big 64 Ford Custom 2 door sedan.I`ll never forget watching that big tank grabbing 2nd gear about 20 feet from the starting line.

Rory, You are correct. JP might want to sell the car. As you can imagine it needs new belts and the other time sensitive NHRA mandated stuff.

Charlie A 08-01-2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by david ring (Post 338220)
Pat Hennebery told me a number of years ago that he was building one of these-but then he went nostalgia racing with his Camaro.

From driving the worn out crapper of a 4 banger 82 Camaro I had....I'd wager you could run index on junkyard GM parts.

.........and legal seatbelts.......and a NHRA sticker.

Tod Lane 10-22-2012 07:48 PM

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I re-read the thread, didn't see this one listed...

How about a 95 Mustang V6?

145 HP... 2970 pounds

Can these be made to run under?

Mark Yacavone 10-22-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tod Lane (Post 353145)
I re-read the thread, didn't see this one listed...

How about a 95 Mustang V6?

145 HP... 2970 pounds

Can these be made to run under?


No engine specs...therefore no factored hp...and it wouldn't be 145

Tod Lane 10-23-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 353188)
No engine specs...therefore no factored hp...and it wouldn't be 145

So you can't run it in stock?


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