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Back to the drawing board...

http://101.imagebam.com/download/jyx..._hemi_dart.jpg

M68

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Did he see the photo? If not, try to persuade him to look at it via this thread.

M68

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You know, what might solve this mystery is if there exists an entry list for the 1968 Super Stock & Drag Illustrated Magazine-sponsored Super Stock Nationals.

M68

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I know this is a stretch but perhaps Bob Snyder, funnycar aficionado that he is, the guy who was there that day and took the photograph, by some slim chance, knows about or remembers the name(s) associated with the unlettered silver 1968 Hemi Dart with atypical dent in its quarter panel? I say it's worth a shot.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf939f2.jpg

http://bobsnyderdragphotos.smugmug.c...1455&k=Mtd5F5n

M68

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Entry list in this program?

http://111.imagebam.com/download/qyR...ls_program.jpg

M68

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I have just ordered a video from Beeonvideo with coverage of this meet. It's described as having a list of all 11 S/S Hemi cars from that event. Thanx to Marfen for that lead.

I'm not throwing in the towel on this deal yet. But this car is sure kicking my *** every time I think I'm getting somewhere.
Every lead is a viable lead that needs to be followed up. Unfortunately I can only spend so much time doing it, due to "life" as a general term getting in the way. I gotta think there's more pictures out there of this thing. Just gotta find them

liteweight

you'll also notice theres body damage on the passenger side door. Currently I can't access that side of my car to pull the door panel for a closer inspection from the back side,BUT, even if that damage isn't there doesn't mean the door hasn't been replaced at one time..??? even tho there is an original lightweight door on it now. IF, that damage is there then......... cemented in stone yes?

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"IF" you have door and quarter repair that matches...I would say that does it.
Like you pointed out, doors are easily replaced but not likely anyone would replace a damaged quarter panel WITH a damaged quarter panel.

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i think by this time, i Would make access to that door panel! some how some way. DO IT!

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Hemi Moose posted this pic:

http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...4b2a3f0ce2.jpg

If we would only have had this one:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf939f2.jpg

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[QUOTE=Liteweight;423851]

even if that damage isn't there doesn't mean the door hasn't been replaced at one time..??? even tho there is an original lightweight door on it now.

sounds like a possibility !!!!!!

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Daryl,
I just pm'd a guy on another site that is posting tons of drag racing photos, and asked him if he has any pics of the "Manhatten Speed Parts" Dart. He said he has thousands of pics. Lets see where that goes.
Like other Hemi Darts, I learned that the "MISTER ED" Dart, after being run in SS/B, ran in SS/A, then ran as a '69 in Pro Stock, then A/MP, and finally back to SS. M&M Speed and Custom, who sponsored it, bought the owner a tunnel ram w/two 1050 Dominators and a new roller cam one Christmas!
I've attached a pic of the 2010 Dover Drag Strip Reunion T-Shirt.
Dave

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anyone check out
The Jonathon "Whitey" Russell Collection

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Where can we find that collection?

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http://murdercycles.com/v-web/gallery/album66?page=21

Good old drag pics there.
Debs Hemi Dart is there.
Couple more we have seen I believe. Close to the last few pages.

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And what site might that be?

Btw, I forgot about the New York National Speedway Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Y...50119994630618

Not much activity there but it doesn't hurt to try.

M68

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Perhaps with one that had Charlie Castaldo's name lettered on it which you saw in your dad's shop when he owned it?

M68

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http://101.imagebam.com/download/M-4...omona_1969.jpg

M68

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The HAMB has a few threads on drag racing, the one I've been going through "History of Drag Cars in Motion" is 1788 pages so far.....

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Hall & Williams

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Funny you mentioned that. I had to see for myself. Spent the better part of last evening accessing that side of the car so I could look at the inside of that door. Yes there's some damage that's been repaired in the area, but, it's really hard to trace the repair because the damage in the picture doesn't have any heavy creases like the quarter does. And with these thin, & I mean Coke can thin doors( I'm sure the bodywork/paint is thicker), it would be very easy to roll out that damage, leaving very little "reworking" marks behind. I don't think there is an original LO23 or BO29 car out there today that hasn't had some "rework" that had to be done to these doors. So,-----Result, inconclusive!!!
Since I got access to the car I fiqured I'd take some pictures of the damage on the quarter for the whole world to see. Can't believe I'm doing this . Most guys would be hiding that, but, noooo, not me. I need everyone to see it. I believe it's this cars particular "trademark"

liteweight

Right quarter panel

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2cc9f3af.jpg

door
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01324688.jpg

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I fiqure now is a good of time as any to dispell the misinformation of many years about the acid dipping of tin that were installed on the LO & BO cars. The parts I speak of consist of the front bumper & doors. They were STAMPED from thinner guage tin,NOT, acid dipped.Reason for that statement is I have had parts acid dipped, & when they come back, it is very evident . All the edges come to a near point because the acid is eating away at them.
I have looked at ALOT of original doors & bumpers over time & all the original parts are very easy to pick out. They all have crisp square edges, everywhere.
Just a little triva for ya's to help set the record staight
(I hope)

liteweight

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Thanks for the continuing education Daryl! I did not know that the parts were simply stamped from lighter material.

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http://classracer.com/classforum/att...4&d=1394540876

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Daryl,

Starting to feel some confidence in this. Bodywork can be just like a fingerprint.
It all SEEMS to be in the correct place.
That quarter panel hit / repair is VERY unusual and specific.

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Those little worm like bondo boogers are most likely leftover holes from sheetmetal screws used to slide hammer or pull the dent crease out. Very typical way of doing things back in the 80s. With that being said, I too feel that you've discovered some new concrete evidence.

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reference picture:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...manMay1985.jpg

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If the photographer or author incorrectly labeled the silver Dart as running SS/B, possibly the "Manhatten Speed Parts" name was wrong also, since Manhatten Speed Shop claims it never ran a Hemi Dart. If it was a hectic day, and there was no lettering on the car, that might happen.That souvenier program, as Mark said, or some list of the Darts that competed that day might help clear things up.

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Has the DEBS (Joe Patel) Dart ever surfaced?

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I "THINK" I remember someone saying it went to the west coast.
Too many pages here to remember.

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It is MIA. Been on my maybe list for years because of that

liteweight

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Hope this is not a re-post.

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Chuck Comella's Dart at one point in time....

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My favorite, just in case I have not posted that enough times:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...g?t=1230728498

Daryl, you should really get you a set of these rims for your Dart. And maybe an old Div.4 "Good Guys" sticker too.

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Daryl & I discussed the Manhatten Speed parts lettering on the silver Dart. I would not be at all surprised that there is no connection with the shop. In those days it was pretty common to get parts for free (plugs, oil, points, ect...) and put their name on the car. It looks like the lettering is done with, for lack of a better description, masking tape- so it would appear to be temporary. High profile and local race - Super Stock Nationals this could be a very real possibility. The other thing is the car was probably repaired and repainted sometime after this race - possibly a different color. If anyone has a copy of the 1968 S/S Nats program it would be interesting to see if there is an entry list - not sure if they included them like the NHRA programs. I am working on locating a few old racers from NYC from this time period to see what they remember.
Mark J
1968 Hemi S/S Registry

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Thank you for reinterating what I said in a few posts back.

You might want to check with Mike Goyda.* He has lots of rare and hard to find material for
sale. Unfortunately at this time he only has the 1966 and 1970 Super Stock Nationals programs in stock.

http://110.imagebam.com/download/D5P...SN_program.jpg http://112.imagebam.com/download/Bi3...SN_program.jpg

Still, it doesn't hurt to call and ask if these programs have a list of entrants same an NHRA national event program before going down this path any further.

M68

* http://www.goyda.com/

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Did you contact Chuck Comella? He's originally from the NYC area. He bought his Hemi Dart brand new from a local Dodge dealership. There's a good chance he may know about this car. Hemi Darts weren't just sold to anybody that came in off the street--unless the dealer just wanted to get rid of the car. The guy(s) who purchased Daryl's Dart had to have a previous racing record to qualify them.

M68

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http://111.imagebam.com/download/GjD...sa4-1967-1.jpg

M68

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Has this one been accounted for?

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps99174f3a.jpg

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Sorry if this is repeat information, but in 2005 Hot Rod Magazine put out as part of their "Collector's Archive Series" a publication titled "Mopar - Rare Vintage Photos '62 - '72". Starting on p.68 there is a special Hemi Dart & Cuda section. They claim to have photos of 27 Darts and 26 Cudas taken in 1968 and 1969. On page 73 is the shot of the Manhatten Speed Parts Dart vs the Ed Miller Cuda at New York National Speedway.

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Yes it has - it has been shown on this thread in it's original paint and talked about in it's current state. Clue - Rod Shop lettering on the front fender.