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Charlie A 06-21-2014 11:24 PM

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Saturday Hemi Dart fix:

http://www.dragracingonline.com/feat...eunion/FE7.jpg

Jack Parris 06-24-2014 12:08 AM

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Hey Daryl, this is kind of off topic but it looks like Chrysler came up with a commercial based on your suggestion without the licensing issues. Check it out.

http://vimeo.com/55488844

Geerhead55 06-24-2014 12:47 AM

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Nice commercial there,, Jack. I do wish however,, that the car was Plum Crazy with a black vinyl top,,,, seems appropriate to me,, know what I mean?
Danny Durham

marfen 06-24-2014 03:13 AM

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Cool commercial. Local Winnipeg boys collecting some more song royalties too.

Charlie A 06-26-2014 08:44 AM

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Hemi Dart Fix for the Day:

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1362112007

Ghost Missle 06-26-2014 01:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Parris (Post 435864)
Hey Daryl, this is kind of off topic but it looks like Chrysler came up with a commercial
based on your suggestion without the licensing issues. Check it out.

http://vimeo.com/55488844

That was me. Post 3073.

Jack Parris 06-26-2014 08:37 PM

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Sorry Ghost Missle. I didn't mean to mis-credit you. So many posts, I guess I got confused.

Charlie A 06-27-2014 09:19 AM

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Friday Hemi Dart Fix:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...5-100_0655.JPG

rhinodaert 06-27-2014 09:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 436098)

That is my Dart, originally called Poison Dart and I have been looking for color pictures for a couple years now so I can paint it back to the original paint scheme. Even Joe DeSantis doesn't have any, he was and is a racer and never took pics!

Charlie A 06-28-2014 03:47 PM

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Another B/W shot.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...iDG_KJv9CF7fnQ

What owner/paint scheme are you looking for?

Ghost Missle 06-28-2014 10:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Parris (Post 436173)
Sorry Ghost Missle. I didn't mean to mis-credit you. So many posts, I guess I got confused.

LOL......Usually, I'm the one that's confused........

SStockDart 06-29-2014 12:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 436333)
Another B/W shot.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...iDG_KJv9CF7fnQ

What owner/paint scheme are you looking for?

Nice picture of "another" Poison Dart

davezinn 07-01-2014 06:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 434345)

if the green car and that yellow one are the same there is some explaining that has to be done? isn't that yellow car the supposedly uncut and never modified car that Mancini had? maybe i'm wrong?

Charlie A 07-01-2014 10:04 PM

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I said I "BELIEVE" they were the same. Read somewhere that they were.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...0&fpart=1&vc=1

"Transman" on that site is Lou Mancini.


So, there's your explaining. Good enough?

davezinn 07-02-2014 01:22 AM

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thank you for the link Charlie ;). there is a lot of stuff out there that the yellow car was never raced and was untouched/unmolested. if it was that green car, one of the articles I remember on that car said it never had a rollbar in it ever, but that green car very clearly does...........also, pretty sure I saw pics of that car recently claiming it was all original too but with a '65? style chrome oval air cleaner on it.

Charlie A 07-03-2014 11:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rhinodaert (Post 436291)
That is my Dart, originally called Poison Dart and I have been looking for color pictures for a couple years now so I can paint it back to the original paint scheme. Even Joe DeSantis doesn't have any, he was and is a racer and never took pics!


Only color shot I can find.
May take a bit but I will see if I can find any way to enlarge it.
http://classracer.com/classforum/att...2&d=1362112482



http://www.classracer.com/classforum...1&d=1300587125

mike s 07-03-2014 01:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davezinn (Post 436648)
if the green car and that yellow one are the same there is some explaining that has to be done? isn't that yellow car the supposedly uncut and never modified car that Mancini had? maybe i'm wrong?


Car pictured is the same car.Confusion is over which Mancini car was uncut etc.Ron's car (Gil Clark,Mancini,Irish Rover) never had roll bar or tubs.They had several Darts some real some not.

Charlie A 07-04-2014 09:21 AM

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Red ,White and Blue on the 4th of July!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...isha68/aaq.jpg

VanPelt 07-04-2014 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie A (Post 436876)
Red ,White and Blue on the 4th of July!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...isha68/aaq.jpg



Rather Fitting!

Ghost Missle 07-04-2014 10:57 AM

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More Dart photos for the day

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...ps6d26f08e.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...ps8491e6c8.jpg

Charlie A 07-05-2014 03:02 PM

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Never been much said about this one. Found it months ago.
Draglist says Lynwood Craft out of Virginia had one.
Any history available? Real LO23? Where did it come from? Where did it go?

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=3077940

davezinn 07-06-2014 10:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mike s (Post 436815)
Car pictured is the same car.Confusion is over which Mancini car was uncut etc.Ron's car (Gil Clark,Mancini,Irish Rover) never had roll bar or tubs.They had several Darts some real some not.


don't get me wrong here, i'm not trying to bash the yellow Mancini car at all. there just seems to be a lot of BS/legend out there in regards to that car being uncut/unmolested. if it is the same car as the green one there was clearly a rollbar in that car and it was prepared and raced, that would also clearly make that car.........molested. that's where I have an issue with it, with the claims that it's unmolested, uncut and so original, when it really isn't.

Charlie A 07-06-2014 01:12 PM

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Red racecar day :

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...0&d=1312248985

Charlie A 07-06-2014 08:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davezinn (Post 437028)
don't get me wrong here, i'm not trying to bash the yellow Mancini car at all. there just seems to be a lot of BS/legend out there in regards to that car being uncut/unmolested. if it is the same car as the green one there was clearly a rollbar in that car and it was prepared and raced, that would also clearly make that car.........molested. that's where I have an issue with it, with the claims that it's unmolested, uncut and so original, when it really isn't.

Unmolested example below. Anything other than this has been "fondled". lol

http://www.usmuscle.com.au/Forum/att...4&d=1370510264

Steve Stasko 07-07-2014 07:45 PM

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Given the nature of these cars, I would venture to say that if they still have their original floors, frame rails, and body panels, they are unmolested. The roll bar that was in the car when it was green was a bolt in deal. I know the guy who put it in.

The car was never very fast when it was green, maybe high 10.90's at best. The car was regularly beaten by well prepped B and C cars in the area.

Charlie A 07-08-2014 12:36 PM

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Agree. They were built to be racecars, not collector cars.

How current day owners and sellers represent them is as like any other used car..."Buyer Beware".

Moving forward on the efforts to identify Daryl's Dart ......that really is how all this began. Dang, what a LO23 Hemi Dart lesson this has become.

Charlie A 07-08-2014 03:51 PM

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Wheels Up!

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...Number=6394144

Charlie A 07-09-2014 08:03 AM

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Blue Dart Day!

http://images25.fotki.com/v947/photo...iDart12-vi.jpg

Travis0117 07-09-2014 04:19 PM

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Hi Guys great thread. I figured I would throw in what I know about a Dart that seems to be a little bit of a mystery, I will preface this buy saying I got all my info from the original owner but when it was relayed to me it was 25 year old info and we all know how memories can be. I'm sorry if you all already know this info this thread is over 300 pages long and while i have spent a few hours over the course of a couple of weeks digging through this thread I didnt see the info I am going to give.

The car I am referring to is on the list as #61 owned by Rick Kent. The story as I know it the car was bought as a 21st birthday present for Rick (Some dad huh:eek:) I have heard 2 stories of its arrival on the train to Salt Lake City where it was picked up. The one from Rick is that they get to the train yard and there are a pair of black streaks 50 yards long from the ramp of the train to where the car sat in a puddle of oil with a rod hanging out of the side of the block. The story I got from Ricks dad Gilbert was that during the shipping the car had leaked all the oil out of the pan and when it was unloaded off the train the dry engine quickly ate itself alive. 2 slightly different stories same out come. Either way soon a new long block was delivered and installed but this also means the original engine for this car was junked and never ran.

A few interesting details I know about the car. According to Rick its an early car and came with the side mirrors deleted and welded over it did not have the little delete plates you see.

I have seen with my own 2 eyes that the original crossram had at 1964 cast date. Not sure if this was common but was an interesting fact.

In 68 it was raced in SS/B as "Instant Action" in red white and blue scheme but wore that paint only brifely. Was replaced after just a few months with the name "Rick Kent" on the doors for the 69 season.

Its funny to note that one of the places in this thread that this car appears is a small magazine article saying "No more broken engines for Rick Kent" By Ricks own admission he was hard on engines. Breaking 9 crankshafts in the first year alone (the story was believable as there was a literal pile of broken hemi cranks under his work bench)

When Pro Stock came out the car was prepped and raced in that class for 1970 and 1971 after 71 the car was still ran very frequently but in modified production. During this time the car was repainted a dark maroon color and sported a snorkel scoop and tunnel ram still with the original superstock leaf springs and ladder bars. The trans tunnel was cut out to fit a Liberty transmission it even had a D-5 Hemi at one point (But the engine never ran well) It never returned to superstock trim. In about 80 or 81 Rick built a new car (A Dodge Mirada :() and the Dart was stored at Ricks shop and very occasionally bracket raced.

In the early 90's as things tend to happen some cash flow is needed and the car is sold to a Idaho mopar collector named Cal Percy (His son Jon currently runs a Barracuda in SS/AH and a 64 lightweight in SS/A) who in turn sold the car to his brother Jim Percy. Jim had it repainted and had a automatic trans fitted to it. (For that matter the original slick shift 4 speed transmission for this car is stored under my bench having purchased it from Rick 20 years or so ago ;)) It sported a 470 inch Hemi with a early Ray Barton Cast cross ram. During this time the car RARELY saw the light of day. Maybe maybe once a year it would go to the track and make a pass. In the early 2000's Jim sold the car. All i know is the car went to SoCal beyond that I know nothing.

When it left Idaho it was still in fairly original condition. It had never been fully tubbed or 4 linked. The streering had been replaced with a pinto rack and pinion but other than the trans tunnel no major surgery had ever been performed on it. It still wore its orginal leaf springs with only ladder bars being added.

I'm going to compile all the pics of this car into one place so people can link them together. The first pic will be the way the car looked when it left Idaho.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...e.jpg~original

This is how the car originally looked

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...7.jpg~original


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...3.jpg~original


How the car looks now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...5.jpg~original



Ricks shop used to be a literal library of history and information. There were piles of hemi intakes under the bench (I still own a particular hemi tunnel ram that was cut up and ported by Mike Chapman then re-welded together) literal stacks of camshafts, I remember seeing Crane R294 cams piled up all on different lobe separation from 102 degrees to 112 degrees.

Sorry for the long post I know a lot of the info I provided isnt particularly useful but it does give some of the back story on this particular car. :D

Thanks
Travis

Charlie A 07-10-2014 12:44 PM

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Today's Hemi Dart. Keepin' it Southern !

http://www.moparmax.com/features/int...euton_Drew.jpg

Paul Ceasrine 07-11-2014 06:50 AM

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May 6, 1969 ~ {Idaho State Journal}

"Rick Kent's Hemi Wows Crowd At Pocatello Dragway"

Pure Stock Record Runs at Pocatello Dragway

Rick Kent of America Falls ran virtually unopposed in Super Stock with his 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart classed in SS/B.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...3.jpg~original


Charlie A 07-11-2014 04:54 PM

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Hemi Dart daily (when I remember) fix:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...955-chuck1.jpg

mopar68 07-11-2014 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis0117 (Post 437408)
Sorry for the long post I know a lot of the info I provided isnt particularly useful but it does give some of the back story on this particular car. :D

Thanks
Travis

No need to apologize, I enjoyed it!

M68

jerry witzel 07-11-2014 08:45 PM

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This pic was posted on facebook awhile back. Bill Weakley from Ohio, looks to be from the 80's. Being from Ohio, i thought i'd seen all the cars he raced but i don't remember this one. Does anyone know the story on this Dart?

bob george 07-12-2014 06:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry witzel (Post 437678)
This pic was posted on facebook awhile back. Bill Weakley from Ohio, looks to be from the 80's. Being from Ohio, i thought i'd seen all the cars he raced but i don't remember this one. Does anyone know the story on this Dart?

John Brown and I purchased that Dart from Weakely in the mid 80s.The k-member was chrome and the side marker lights were patched in(had 69 markers at one and ran Pro/S at one time .John sold or traded it in the late 80s.

Charlie A 07-12-2014 08:46 AM

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http://classracer.com/classforum/att...8&d=1405125844

Paul Ceasrine 07-12-2014 10:38 AM

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The Man, the Legend, and my New York neighbor >

Mr. Charlie Castaldo ~ {Scarsdale, New York}

At the 1969 Super Stock Magazine Nationals at York US30 Dragway.

August 9 & 10, 1969

Charlie was unbeatable, until he broke out in the Semi-Finals on Sunday Night.

SS/BA ` 1968 Dodge Dart '426 Race Hemi'

Engine by .......... John Macey {Bridgeport, Connecticut}
Lettering by........ 'Dino the Weirdo' {Dover Drag Strip ~ Wingdale, New York}



http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...oSSBA_0006.jpg

Charlie A 07-12-2014 01:48 PM

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Never noticed the smaller lettering on the door before.



This would be "Chargin' Charlie Castaldo" :D

Paul Ceasrine 07-12-2014 03:34 PM

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Correct Charlie,

Charlie's 1st Dart was a 4-Speed 'SS/B'.

He totaled it at Englishtown, at the 1st NHRA Points Meet in
May 1969.

Charlie then bought Tom Crutchfield's Dart {Kokomo, Indiana} which was a SS/BA Dart.

The 2nd Dart was lettered 'Chargin' Charlie Castaldo by 'Dino the Weirdo' at Charlie's home in Scarsdale, New York.

According to 'Dino', the Schaefer Beer was flowing that night.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.6080...2&pid=15.1&P=0

Charlie A 07-12-2014 07:33 PM

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Some of the old paint jobs from that time frame were created with
something that flowed and something that was rolled. :eek:

Wonder if legalization is going to bring out the old airbrushes again? :cool:

Just can't match the old stuff with a vinyl wrap.


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