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treessavoy 06-24-2009 03:45 PM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 127000)
That would be nice Jim. If it raised the HP factor on the Max they could run in SS/CA which would be a great class for these cars and allow them to run a head design that wasn't 48 years old, Paul.


Exactly!

Revive the old cars and let them run!

Jim

Bill Brennan 06-25-2009 08:58 PM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Even if they won't allow the Indy's why can't we run the Edelbrock head? Should would make it alot cheaper than trying to find originals or repops that weren't wortha s**t! To try to run with the new injected cars is insane. If you ask NHRA to take OFF some horsepower all they do is say no thanks. You just can't get a flat hooded 63 dodge to run like the scoop hooded cars. NHRA just won't listen or doen't care.

RJ 06-25-2009 10:40 PM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 127000)
That would be nice Jim. If it raised the HP factor on the Max they could run in SS/CA which would be a great class for these cars and allow them to run a head design that wasn't 48 years old, Paul.

The high comp. 64's will get to "C", not sure about the 63's. Even then, you can't find a good set of heads, and finding the aluminum front end is impossible. NHRA should let them run the Edelbrock max wedge head as was suggested, and let them use the fiberglass front end (IHRA already does, I have a copy of an e-mail somewhere, and Harley Day's beautiful 64 Plymouth has a glass front end). There used to be a ton of 426 max wedge cars in super stock, where are they now? - Mike Cissell had one running about 4 years ago.

treessavoy 06-25-2009 10:53 PM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 127285)
The high comp. 64's will get to "C", not sure about the 63's. Even then, you can't find a good set of heads, and finding the aluminum front end is impossible. NHRA should let them run the Edelbrock max wedge head as was suggested, and let them use the fiberglass front end (IHRA already does, I have a copy of an e-mail somewhere, and Harley Day's beautiful 64 Plymouth has a glass front end). There used to be a ton of 426 max wedge cars in super stock, where are they now? - Mike Cissell had one running about 4 years ago.

I sent an email to the IHRA about the fiberglass and the heads. The reply was basically: if you want to run the heads you have to ask the IHRA to approve them; yes, you can run the fiberglass but and I quote "you need to contact Jack McCormack who makes the fiberglass" he knows who makes it.

I live in FL and no one has seen Mike around for a while, if anyone knows how to contact him, let me know.

Jim

john j oliverio 06-26-2009 05:12 AM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
David, a few years ago I bought some A990 parts from Ralph Ronzello and he said hea had a 64 plymouth with Nascar set-up. You might check with him.

X-TECH MAN 06-26-2009 08:28 AM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 127286)
I sent an email to the IHRA about the fiberglass and the heads. The reply was basically: if you want to run the heads you have to ask the IHRA to approve them; yes, you can run the fiberglass but and I quote "you need to contact Jack McCormack who makes the fiberglass" he knows who makes it.

I live in FL and no one has seen Mike around for a while, if anyone knows how to contact him, let me know.

Jim

Jim....when I was doing all of the stock and S/S stuff the problem with the Edelbrock heads was they only came with large valve seats and the CC's were wrong in the combustion chamber. I havent kept up to see if they are avaliable with the correct valve sizes and CC's lately. If they avaliable with the correct valve size and CC's Im sure you could get them OK'ed by Mike Baker and Hank Blankenship due to the lack of avaliable factory Iron parts. You just have to go thru the "Drill". I sent you a PM last night about the fiberglass front end parts. .

Bob Pagano 06-26-2009 10:11 AM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Terry, The problem is Mopar sells a replacement head, nhra has it listed but it is junk, alot of machine work is needed to even use the head. On the other hand if Edelbrock has made changes you would have to send a head to Mike. We did it with a piston for a crate motor racer a couple of years ago. nhra could care less, they do not even answer emails anymore, I have emailed 3 times about a pan listed on the Stock pan list that Moroso dose not even list any more and the other pan is listed short 2 qts. They just dont care.

X-TECH MAN 06-26-2009 10:40 AM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano (Post 127314)
Terry, The problem is Mopar sells a replacement head, nhra has it listed but it is junk, alot of machine work is needed to even use the head. On the other hand if Edelbrock has made changes you would have to send a head to Mike. We did it with a piston for a crate motor racer a couple of years ago. nhra could care less, they do not even answer emails anymore, I have emailed 3 times about a pan listed on the Stock pan list that Moroso dose not even list any more and the other pan is listed short 2 qts. They just dont care.

Bob....as I hear the replacement head (M) is almost impossable to find with the correct valve seats. I went thru several for a guy in Penn. several years ago before we found some with the correct valve size. Most you find now are 2.14 intake and 1.81 exhaust. The exhaust can be cut to size but the intakes are junk. Your correct in that they need a lot of work to be usable so why fool with them at all? Even the combustion chamber has to be....shall we say "Massaged" to clear the dome on a Max Wedge piston. With all of the Chevys and Ford alum heads being used one would think Edelbrock or someone would make a "LEGAL" replacement for the 440/383 and the Max wedge. Mike Baker is very good about accepting stuff like this if it shown to be like original. NHRA needs to get off thier ***** and wake up to help the Mopar guys out.

treessavoy 06-26-2009 10:53 AM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 127318)
Bob....as I hear the replacement head (M) is almost impossable to find with the correct valve seats. I went thru several for a guy in Penn. several years ago before we found some with the correct valve size. Most you find now are 2.14 intake and 1.81 exhaust. The exhaust can be cut to size but the intakes are junk. Your correct in that they need a lot of work to be usable so why fool with them at all? Even the combustion chamber has to be....shall we say "Massaged" to clear the dome on a Max Wedge piston. With all of the Chevys and Ford alum heads being used one would think Edelbrock or someone would make a "LEGAL" replacement for the 440/383 and the Max wedge. Mike Baker is very good about accepting stuff like this if it shown to be like original. NHRA needs to get off thier ***** and wake up to help the Mopar guys out.


Terry, when has the NHRA ever given a darn about Mopar guys, they have always left me with the impression that they wished we would just go away.

Jim

Larry Hill 06-28-2009 07:20 PM

Re: AA/SA @ Norwalk OH
 
Just like I thought, John was the winner in AA/SA at Norwalk


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