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Sean Cour 11-04-2009 03:04 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
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Originally Posted by Andrew Hill (Post 149686)
I'd say 6 pounds would be closer, but then you would have to deal with the problem of 9" tires going low 9s. They just need to go to super stock in my opinion.

That's just not gonna happen. Do the math, those car's would be 400 pounds heavy for a six pound break. And BTW, they're in Superstock!

Andrew Hill 11-04-2009 03:38 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
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Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 149693)
That's just not gonna happen. Do the math, those car's would be 400 pounds heavy for a six pound break. And BTW, they're in Superstock!

If they were factored what they should be they could fit in a 6 lbs/hp easily. At 500 hp and 6 lbs/hp that would be 3170? And I mean they should be in Superstock ONLY.

bill dedman 11-04-2009 10:26 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Thought to ponder: a W/SA Pinto Vs. any one of the new AA/SA 2008, 140-mph Mustangs.

Finish line MPH disparity = SIXTY MPH~ or, more...

Is that even SAFE?

I realize Comp may be even worse...

But, is it time to split this thing at, say, F Stock, and welcome in the new JUNIOR STOCK (G thru W), in the interest of finish-line safety?

Just a thought...

X-TECH MAN 11-05-2009 05:22 AM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
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Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 149757)
Thought to ponder: a W/SA Pinto Vs. any one of the new AA/SA 2008, 140-mph Mustangs.

Finish line MPH disparity = SIXTY MPH~ or, more...

Is that even SAFE?

I realize Comp may be even worse...

But, is it time to split this thing at, say, F Stock, and welcome in the new JUNIOR STOCK (G thru W), in the interest of finish-line safety?

Just a thought...

Good idea but NHRA would cut the win money in the upper classes in half at the min. The Jr. racers would get a trophy and a swift kick in the *****.

Bill Harris 11-05-2009 08:09 AM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
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Originally Posted by bill dedman http://classracer.com/classforum/ima...s/viewpost.gif
Thought to ponder: a W/SA Pinto Vs. any one of the new AA/SA 2008, 140-mph Mustangs.

Finish line MPH disparity = SIXTY MPH~ or, more...

Is that even SAFE?

I realize Comp may be even worse...

But, is it time to split this thing at, say, F Stock, and welcome in the new JUNIOR STOCK (G thru W), in the interest of finish-line safety?

Just a thought...
S/S isn't any better. Compare SS/AM running against a SS/P or SS/PA and you get almost a 60 MPH difference too.

lstanford 11-05-2009 08:23 AM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Bracket racing on any Sunday, at any track on the planet, has the same mph disparity. That's why they won't insure race cars in competition. They call it a high risk sport. I've been passed in the lights by a 200 mph dragster, in my 125 mph Mustang.

cj1 11-05-2009 01:33 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
In regards to us being unsportsmanlike I would like to comment on that. When the semifinals of class came around the two chevy competitors came up to us and told us (Brent and I) were going to run each other and they ( Mr Belden and the other competitor) were going to run each other. So if anyone was dictating who was going to run who it was them not us. I responded by saying that didnt seem right and suggested using a ladder, drawing numbers, or flipping coins. Nobody objected so we drew numbers. I drew a 2, Brent drew a 1 so therefore I ran a Chevy and so did Brent. We did not bully anyone into racing us it was total luck of the draw we could of run each other just as easily. Also I recall in a previous post before Indy that there was no accepted method for pairing cars in class it is however the competitors in that class that decide how to do it and i've noticed that even these methods change from round to round. So if there is a common practice please let us know so that we dont make a mistake again.

My 2 cents worth

Chad Holzman

W J 11-05-2009 02:56 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
I think the new iron in town is great. I love the LS-1 F-body Camaros and Firebirds, the late model LS-2 GTO's, the Zo6 Corvettes, The Drag-Pak Challengers, AND these new rocket CJ's from Ford.....awesome engineering, technology and craftsmanship...I say welcome to the new world of drag racing. Surely it's about time the 40-50 yr. old stuff had some company out there anyway. Make some intelligent necessary changes to classes, and let everyone have a go at it.....otherwise, this sport will be dead and gone alot sooner than we all think....and they'll be jamming more of those those fart-can jamboree cars down our throats, maybe even powering them with acorns and pine cones.....again, my 2 cents... WJ:)

Ed Fernandez 11-05-2009 04:01 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cj1 (Post 149841)
In regards to us being unsportsmanlike I would like to comment on that. When the semifinals of class came around the two chevy competitors came up to us and told us (Brent and I) were going to run each other and they ( Mr Belden and the other competitor) were going to run each other. So if anyone was dictating who was going to run who it was them not us. I responded by saying that didnt seem right and suggested using a ladder, drawing numbers, or flipping coins. Nobody objected so we drew numbers. I drew a 2, Brent drew a 1 so therefore I ran a Chevy and so did Brent. We did not bully anyone into racing us it was total luck of the draw we could of run each other just as easily. Also I recall in a previous post before Indy that there was no accepted method for pairing cars in class it is however the competitors in that class that decide how to do it and i've noticed that even these methods change from round to round. So if there is a common practice please let us know so that we dont make a mistake again.

My 2 cents worth

Chad Holzman

Wow this post was at 12:50 PM and it's 4:50 and no one is going to comment?He seems to have spelled it out in black and white for all to see.

Jimi B 11-05-2009 05:50 PM

Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by W J (Post 149856)
and they'll be jamming more of those those fart-can jamboree cars down our throats, maybe even powering them with acorns and pine cones.....again, my 2 cents... WJ:)


You had me up until this point. Your thinking in the earlier part of your post applies to those "fart-can jamboree cars" as well. We all love well built race cars. Forced induction, n/a, fwd, rwd, awd, 4 cyl, 8cyl should not matter. Thinking any differently about "fart-can jamboree cars" is as senseless as racism.

I agree with you however on one part. Intelligent decisions on how to class these diverse crowd of cars would go a long way. Until then, I will race in whatever class I fit the rules for.


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