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Racer 6x64 04-01-2010 01:29 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
I feel a need to respond to this. An oil retention device would have saved me a lot of pain and damage last season at my local track. I threw a rod at the top end and put a lot of oil on the track and under my back tires causing me to have an impromtu meeting with the wall. In the process i crossed in front of my opponent and he had to do some quick driving through my oil to avoid hitting me and the wall. A diaper would not have saved my engine but it most likely would have prevented a very unwelcome ride into the wall and almost causing damage or injury to my opponent. My theory is that no matter how good your engine or your engine builder is, they didn't build the parts, if a rod cap breaks you are going for a ride. I say this as I would never want any harm to come to any racer. As far as a short clean up time, mine was only 2 hours that could have been avoided for a mere $300 diaper.

Have a fun season.

Ryan Horensky 04-01-2010 01:50 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 179163)
Well I know about you and I do know your dad and have my connections. I did meet you several years ago at Maple Grove when you were dring the "Box Top" coupe. To bad your so sensitive...lol. I do know that you are a very good driver. You are just one of the new breed of racers. Several on here can drive like a robot but can not even lash valves or set the timing. Your dad builds beautiful cars and I wished I had his talent. Hang in there...this racing crap isnt life or death.

Well being you think I'm too sensitive....I guess you were just joking! Sorry I took it the wrong way! Thanks for the kind words about my dad and I. Hope to see you at the track! If you do come to a race make sure you pick up Mr. Shannon on your way. I haven't seen him since the mid-90's

Ed Fernandez 04-01-2010 03:09 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer 6x64 (Post 179173)
I feel a need to respond to this. An oil retention device would have saved me a lot of pain and damage last season at my local track. I threw a rod at the top end and put a lot of oil on the track and under my back tires causing me to have an impromtu meeting with the wall. In the process i crossed in front of my opponent and he had to do some quick driving through my oil to avoid hitting me and the wall. A diaper would not have saved my engine but it most likely would have prevented a very unwelcome ride into the wall and almost causing damage or injury to my opponent. My theory is that no matter how good your engine or your engine builder is, they didn't build the parts, if a rod cap breaks you are going for a ride. I say this as I would never want any harm to come to any racer. As far as a short clean up time, mine was only 2 hours that could have been avoided for a mere $300 diaper.

Have a fun season.

Since you're incident have you bought and installed a diaper?As of now they are OPTIONAL.And that's the way it should stay.

Racer 6x64 04-01-2010 04:19 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Yes, there will be a brand new DRE diaper on my engine as soon as it finished and dynoed. You can guarantee that I would never even consider going down the track again without one.

I know they are optional in some classes and I wasnt infering that everyone should use one but my point was that they are definately cheap insurance against a really crappy day at the track.

Have a safe season everyone.

Ed Fernandez 04-01-2010 04:42 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer 6x64 (Post 179213)
Yes, there will be a brand new DRE diaper on my engine as soon as it finished and dynoed. You can guarantee that I would never even consider going down the track again without one.

I know they are optional in some classes and I wasnt infering that everyone should use one but my point was that they are definately cheap insurance against a really crappy day at the track.

Have a safe season everyone.

Some at NHRA don't see it that way.No reflection on Dennis,but I'll bet if it gets approved he'll be reaching in his pocket.After all, Isn't NHRA into partnering with all comers now?

Racer 6x64 04-01-2010 04:59 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Ed, this is why I stick to my local track and just bracket race. NHRA is like an evil Robin Hood, they take from the hard working and give to themselves. They want a piece of everything. The owners of my track are not that bad, they are just super cheap and need to work on the prize money.

The horror stories I have read on various forums for all types of racing make me happy that I just stay a half hour from home and race a dozen times a summer and have some fun with some truely excellent racers. If I feel the need to watch some sportman racing I will go to a Divisional or National event for a holiday to cheer on the sportsman guys. I have seen enough fuelers and funny's in my lifetime, sportsman racing and promods are what I watch.

Vic Santos 04-01-2010 05:01 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
One thing that I don't see mentioned is oil temperature and therefor viscosity and therefor the ability to take load without metal to metal contact. In my SS car I run 11 quarts of oil! At the beginning of a run the oil temperature is about 140F; at the end of a run it is about 160F to 170F; by the time I get back to the pits its about 180F to 190F. If I let the engine sit with the hood open it takes over 1/2 hour to get the temperature back to where I can make another run assuming the is no long trip to staging. When it gets round robin time (not as often as I would like) I have to cool the oil with water or I loose bearings! What will happen when the oil pan is in a snuggie blanket insulating the oil pan! I think diapers will cause MORE engine failures than before especially with the snake oil currently used and the small quantities used in the performanc based classes. The racer looses! My vote is HELL NO!!

This my first posting. The subject just irritated me big time!

Racer 6x64 04-01-2010 05:23 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Vic, I honestly have no ldea what the oil tempurature issue would be. As for snake oil, I run 8 liters of Joe Gibbs finest in my engine.

I do have the utmost respect for the stock and super stock guys. My father ran SS/HA in the mid 80's and other good freinds have been running SS forever in Division 6. I dont plan to know all the in's and out's of class racing but my whole post was just saying that a diaper can reduce the chance of a pretty serious mishap and I have seen far to many of those in my lifetime. I most definately prefer it when all racers and race cars leave the track in one piece.

Jeff Lee 04-01-2010 05:37 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Vic Santos,
I agree with you, below is what I posted on this subject earlier on post #44:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 178803)
Another issue I have not seen addressed is oil temperatures. This often does not relate to the bracket or Super Class racers as they are not "typically" running as us; the "performance based class racers".
I think you'll find a lot of the former running 50wt oils and changing the oil once or twice a season. The later will often run 10 wt oils and change it as often as every race. But maintenence, although an issue, is not the real concern I have, it's oil temperatures. Personally, per my engine builder, I don't want to see oil temps above 150 degrees based on the oil and clearances I have in the engine. He says if it hits 200 degrees, park the car until it drops. Even if it means loosing a round. Some may have a differing opinion but it's my engine and that's what I go by so I really don't care what Smokey Yunick said 30 years ago. Hardblock or similar products retain heat already.
Call it a diaper, call it a blanket, but no matter what, it's serves to retain heat in the oil pan. I see no way around this. I'd like an independent party to analyze the change in oil temp and the amount of time to cool down with a blanket as opposed to without a diaper.
And I'm with everybody else on this, I see no problem in the class. The issue in the sportsman ranks is the classes that seldom maintain their engines and continue to race when performance is suffering. A Super or Top racer that slows two tenths is more likely to adjust the throttle stop or ad more NOS than to pull the pan and inspect the engine. That always leads to trouble.
I'm sending this post to the S/SS committee
Tech@nhra.com

Racer 6x64,
Another prior post from a Division S/SS representative went something like this....If you are not a registered NHRA member with a current S/SS number, your opinion is not wanted by NHRA.

B Parker 04-01-2010 05:50 PM

Re: oil retention devices
 
Oil retention my ***. It's just a bunch of **** ( thats what diapers are for). Haven't you guys figured out what they do. Anytime we start having some real issues with things they divert our attention to crap like this and get us to stop thinking about real problems. Like the AHFS with the newer under rated cars. Especialy the one that Charlie is building. ( SORRY CHARLIE ) . I just couldn't help myself. Now if there is a real problem and it's costing money because we are not using diapers it's real easy to get most of us to put one on. Give anyone that uses a daiper a $25. discount on our entrance fee's. If there is a real problem they will save more than that with no down time from us and no extra track prep. Barry


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