Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 602350)

Not a solution but a band-aid adjustment.
S/SS is supposed to be a performance category, with indexes that reflect the hp per pound potential, yet cars routinely run 1 second under the supposed standard. Something ain't right here.

Here you go:
Raised the automatic hp trigger two tenths.
Then lower all indexes 4 tenths.
One second under index= instant hp..Mandatory tear down

NO,NO,NO more goodies for five (5) years.

Example...A/SA 11.00 becomes 10.60
Run of 9.59 = hp.

Response to counterpoint, right up front..I'll save you the trouble.
Most car , even at the bottom, are 2-3 under. If you can't pick your car up a tenth, with all the current technology, possibly you're in the wrong sport, or maybe go bracket racing for a while, then come back. Lots of cars are quota-ed out of national meets anyway . Why not start here, seeing this IS a performance eliminator, right?

For? Against? Tell us why..

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 602362)

I'm OK with this with 1 add-on, ALL un-competitive combos (ALL not just a couple for letter writers) get an immediate 15-20% HP reduction!

Originally Posted by Hacksaw (Post 602351)

If you lower the indexes by 4 tenths, all the local Series type races will suffer from a smaller turnout of competitors. Not good. Currently most series honor IHRA indexes, but for how much longer? I like your plan, but it seems to be a double edged sword where the little guy gets beat up to suit the quick ones who are holding back. Seems to me this more of a Stock Elim. problem. Maybe go 2 tenths lower on the index?

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 602371)

Not really an issue.Local groups can do whatever they want.
We allow IHRA classes in the AZSSSA but take off the three tenths for qualifying.
Only problem might be in the Midwest, where they have their races in conjunction with an open or Divisional. Oh well ..Chasing gp's isn't cheap.

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 602390)

You are out of your mind if you think lowering the indexes 4 tenths across the board will help stock and super stock. That would most likely kill the classes. about half of the fields at the divisionals would be un-competitive and probably quit going. Better and easier to fix the problems with the AHFS or use some common sense on the under rated combos. Most of us know what they are. The classes should never be predicated on the elite of the class. That's why there is the class average.
If someone triggers the review they should be torn down and checked for legality same as the automatic 1.20 threshold. Not all of us are world beaters and still like running stock and super stock.

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 602369)

So who determines "un-competitive combos"? You?

Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 601664)

Allow Deep Staging!

Originally Posted by JOE ZOOM (Post 602398)

Sorry...Only Top Fuel and Funny Cars can go Deep.....but a 12 second stocker can't !!!
Just Stupid!!!! Joe Mocci. M/SA