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I think I've already asked this question. But here it comes again.

If a car will hook up completely, with 9" tires, aprox how much will big tires, such as 14x32, slow the car down ?

I know that the tires will be heavier.

The wheels will be heavier.

The friction of the larger contact patch will have to slow the car some, after it gets some speed goin. I assume that's why drag cars run small front tires, with less rolling resistance.

So, are we talkin thousandths, hundredths, or tenths ?

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Got word that Phil Szupka sold his '73 Bird to Bill Foder.

Then Bill Foder sold it to someone else.

So, does anybody here know any or all the next owners of that car ?

By the way, I just stumbled across this. Says that Bill Foder built the 400 engine that propelled Phil Monteith's 3rd gen Hatari Bird, to Peter Biondo's 1st SS championship, in 1996.

https://msu.edu/unit/msuaa/magazine/w97/foderw97.htm

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I be leave Bill did the heads Phil build he's own engines

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Last week I attended the GNRS in Pomona. I had the pleasure of meeting Jan, and Art Peterson. Their 69 GTO was featured in the, Drag Racing Then and Now, building. Nice people. They say Hi, to all the racers back East.

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I didn't mean to leave anyone out, earlier.

BES Engines (Tony Bischoff) can build a fast Pontiac S/S -er .

Gary Herche built Chris Stevenson's 400, although I don't know his current status.

I know a few more, but not sure they need the publicity right now ;-)

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I currently own the 72 gto bought it from jerry stealy who bought it from phil hopefully it will be on the track in division 5 in 2021 after I retire and have a life again

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OK, just got the names of 3 more possible Pontiac class racer engine builders. A Pontiac engine builder who doesn't do class engines, recommended Competition Components.

https://www.buyracingparts.com/

For those on the East coast, he recommended Richie Hoffman. I think his shop is on Long Island.

https://www.facebook.com/richie.hoffman.520125

Richie also recommended Todd Hoven.

https://www.facebook.com/todd.hoven.3

I'll try to contact some of the big name Pontiac builders & see if any of them have any Stock/SS engines out there.

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Paul K on the pontiac forum could build you a very nice piece

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I think Jerry Stealy also had a 71/72 Lemans wagon that ran in Super Stock

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The only 72 Lemans wagons I really remember are the 2 that Gary Wood had, which ran Stock. They were named Tons-a-Fun. Anybody know what happened to those wagons ?

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He said he'd done some heads, but doesn't do class racer shortblocks. He's the guy who recommended Competition Components.

I heard back from KRE. They don't do class racer engines either. Jeff said "...Just not our line of engine work."

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Don't think I posted any of these pics here. It's the Ken Shawver '78 Bird, when Monte Howard was racing it.

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Yes Jerry Stealy had a yellow 1972 Lemans wagon SS/KA. My brother Carroll Warling had a Maroon 1974 Lemans wagon SS/OA

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Norman, are there any pics of Carroll's wagon you could post ?

The car in the 2nd pic has a different perm number, and no names on the side. But, I assume it's the same car.

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It has been brought to my attention that it can cost from $6,000 to $11,000 to have a set of Pontiac iron SS heads done correctly, if you wanna have a set that will flow enuff to make big power.

I understand that lots of guys have plenty of retirement money to spend, or have plenty from whatever source, & spending $100,000 or more for a race car is pretty common place.

But, having always been a low budget racer(not by choice), I've always looked for ways to win, without spending max dollars.

I don't have a clue what all has to be done to iron heads, that could cost nearly $10k or more. But, it apparently involves reshaping ports for max power, and doing it in such a way as to pass tech.

Anyhow, if there is such a thing as building a lower budget SS car, that will just barely run under it's index, what is the min amount of work that would have to be done to the heads. You know, I'm from the old school, where a good 3-angle valve job & a simple gasket match, blended back into the ports was about all that was done to heads, for high performance street or bracket racing.

I was so ignorant of class racer tricks that, until I got online a few years back, I'd never even heard of acid porting Stocker heads. Heads-Up use to have a section on their website talkin about their version of this process. Haven't been able to find that section in recent years.

https://www.castheads.com/cylinder-h.../acid-porting/

https://www.manta.com/cp/mx79fbv/518...take-manifolds

I know that Heads-Up has done the heads for some 10-sec Pontiac Stockers. Several of these 10-sec Stockers run quick enuff to run under their SS index, even in Stock legal form. So, for someone wanting to build a lower budget SS car, that will just barely run under it's index, what would it cost them to have their iron Pontiac heads treated to the 10-sec Stocker head build ? Are we talkin $5k ? More ?

To get down on simpler terms that I can understand, aprox how much difference in ET would there be between some as cast iron heads with the correct valve job for racing, the acid ported(or whatever the latest Stocker head tricks are) Stocker heads, and the all out high dollar SS head build. I mean are we talkin about a half sec potential difference between each level, or a whole sec, or even more. Just need some ball park figures.

Some of you guys who have been doing this for a long time, how much have you gained, ET-wise, from the old method of building SS heads, to the way they do 'em now ? Is the new method worth a sec, 2 sec, or ? Not talkin about anything done to the shortblock, but just from the difference in head work & cam change that head work allowed.

I know this info is probably old hat stuff to lots of long time racers. But it's all very interesting to me. And, I assume there are a few younger guys here who don't know about all the changes that have come about, over the last 40 or 50 years.

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At the Winter Nats, In SS, Brad Burton was #21, with an .807 under, 9.693, in the Burton GT/HA '91 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

But he cut a bad light & lost E-1.

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The list below shows that Truman Fields won his SS/K class at the '72 Indy race. And Ken White won his SS/JA class. Both were running '72 A-bodies.

Just now saw that Gerry Williams won J/S, in a '63 Pontiac.

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One of the Wood's station wagon went in the hand of Jacques Filteau from the Quebec City area.
Here's a facebook link with some photos,
Enjoy,
Charles Stewart
https://www.facebook.com/groups/vint...8104582349432/

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Thanks for that info !

Not crazy about the new color scheme.

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May have asked this before.

Jack Mullins won the US Nats in '75, beating Judy Lilly's Mopar, in the final.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/0212hpp-pontiac-history/

So, was that the first Pontiac SS win, at the US Nats ? Not counting those earlier races, when they were still running Top Stock & Jr. Stock.

Has there been another Pontiac win in SS, at the US Nats, since then ?

Is there an online source for a list of all Stock & SS US Nats winners ?

Most all the winners lists I've found, so far, only list the Pro winners.

Don't know why I haven't mentioned it(or maybe I have). But not only did Jack win the Sports Nats & the US Nats in '75, but: "...He won the 1976 Sportsnationals running a 12.51, taking out Steve Bagwell's SS/BA Plymouth.

Jack went on to win a divisional points race in Louisiana and another one in Oklahoma City. He was the #1 qualifier at the NHRA Summernationals at Englishtown, but redlighted in the final against local hero Bernie Agaman and the "Bayonne Missile" '71 454 Corvette..."

That ain't bad for a 2-year run, in a old Pontiac wagon. He took out 2 of the best SS Mopars of that time period, won the Sports Nats back-to-back, & qualified #1 at the Summer Nats, with an RU finish ! :)

Yep, Jack was one of my Pontiac heroes.

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OK guys, I just discovered yesterday that a lot of info & pics I'm lookin for is NOT in this Stock/SS section.

It's actually in a completely different section about NOSTALGIA Stock/SS.

If some of you guys told me that, in these Pontiac threads, and I just didn't get it, I apologize. :o

BUT, if a bunch of you guys knew that's where I needed to look, & just didn't tell me, why the heck not ? :confused:

Anyhow, I found this thread asking about a Jack Mullins built '73 SD455 SS Bird. Someone posted that they thought it was the John Clegg '73 SD455. But John bought his Bird new. Bob Michael posted that he had barely edged out Jack's Bird, in class, in about '76.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...35&postcount=6

Glen Tinsley posted that he had bought Jack Mullins '73 Bird, raced it for a while & set some records with it. I've even posted some pics of it, at the Eastex track, IIRC. Anybody know what records he set with the car, when, & where ?

Well, Glen posted that he later sold the car to someone in Houston.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...5&postcount=10

I was gonna ask Glen this question, but I see he hasn't posted here in several years. I think I posted pics of a white '73 T/A, that was for sale at the '78 Cajun Nats.

So, I'm wondering if anybody knows if this is that same car, or not. I mean, how many white '73 Birds were running SS, in div 4 in 1978 ? If nobody knows anything about this car, does anybody here know Glen Tinsley or how to contact him ?

OK, in getting these pics ready to post, I think I just figured it out. The permanent # was 41. Just looked at a pic we took of Jack Mullins' wagon in 1975. His # was 41. So, I think that settles it. Jack ran it at the Cajuns, with For Sale signs on it, & Glen Tinsley bought it.

Glad that one is finally solved. I've often wondered what happened to that car. Now I know, the rest of the story, or at least thru when it was sold in Houston. Have no idea if it has been raced since, or not.

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And, a fine guy!

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Here's a clean lookin '67 Goat, running GT/FA. Don't have a clue who it belongs to. Since it's a GT car, it may have Chevy power. :( Anybody know ?

Does that 819 number mean the car is from another country ?

I say this because, at last year's Gators, the cars with numbers beginning with an 8, were from other countries.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

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The 67 GTO is owned by Anders Lindh from Sweden,and has a 428 Pontiac engine.For more info search his name...gsa612

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Thanks for that info, guys !

Here's more pics, of which, some cars I've probably already mentioned. Some had the year & track, in the caption.

(1) Bad Birdie 2.

(2) Herslow & Morlock @ Indy '77,

(3) Bob Michael in his '73 Bird @ Indy in '79.

(4) Bob Michael in his '77-'78 Bird, @ Indy.

(5) SS/JA Glen Tinsley, former Jack Mullins Bird.

(6) SS/J John Clegg.

(7) The former H-O Racing Specialties nat record holder, I suppose at this time owned & driven by Glen Tinsley, then later traded to John Clegg for a trailer.

[8) Lloyd Robinson @ the '80 Gators.

(9) Johnny Duncan Bird.

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Well, I think I've touched on this a little. But, I wanna drill down a little deeper into it.

I understand that many class racers are not willing to give up any info that might help a possible opponent.

But, maybe there are a few here that, for whatever reason, can & are willing to give a few behind-the-scenes details.

I suppose the subject might be LITTLE things that are, or could be done, to reduce ET slightly, for heads-up & record runs.

Thru the years, I've read of stuff like running thinner oil or grease, in places like engine, rear end, & wheel bearings.

Also have read of running max reasonable air pressure in tires, that will still hook up, in order to reduced rolling resistance, after launch.

What about disabling rear brakes, on tracks with ample shut-down area, in order to reduce pad-to-rotor drag ?

Now here's what I really wanna talk about. I've noticed that a lot of SS cars run big tires, like 14x32 or larger. I understand why most guys would want max traction at all times, even when track conditions are bad.

BUT, let's assume, for this post, that the track conditions are great, and the driver knows for sure that the car will hook 100%, with much smaller tires than it usually runs. Do(have) any SS racers used smaller tires, in order to run a hair quicker, for a heads-up or record run ?

Maybe that's a ridiculous question. I don't know. Sounds reasonable to me, considering all the other things I've read about class racers going to great lengths & expense, for very small ET gains.

Here's why I ask this about smaller tires. We all know that some of the Stockers are running 8's on 9" tires. But, being an old school kind of guy. Lets consider some 9 sec BBC powered Stockers. There are several BBC powered '69 Camaro & Nova SS cars that can run in the 9's. They must do it with 9" tires, & CalTrac type traction devices.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2019#indextop

So, is there any reason why some of the low 10 sec to mid 9 sec SS cars could not run a wee bit quicker on 9" tires than on 14x32 or larger tires ? Again, this is on a sticky track with good conditions, & just to run a bit quicker for a heads-up or record run. It's hard for me to believe that a racer with lots of money wouldn't carry some smaller tires, that he had tested on his car, for just such occasions.

If nobody ever does this, some of you long time racers please explain why.

Are there V8 powered 10-flat & quicker SS cars that run 9" tires, all the time ?

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Just looked over my list of SS Pontiacs, that have raced in the last couple of years.

There are only a couple of dozen, about equally divided between GT cars & reg SS cars. And, quite a few of these cars run a very limited schedule.

So, compared the the many hundreds or thousands of active SS cars, Pontiac powered SS cars are an extremely small percentage of the total.

To me, that's one of the main reasons why it's such a big deal when a Pontiac wins it's class, sets a record, wins a race, or qualifies near the top of the list. And, as I've probably said, it's one of the main reasons for even having special threads devoted entirely to Pontiac V8 powered Stock/SS cars.

Another reason for taking a closer look at what Pontiacs have done, & are doing, is because there are now so many different brands/combos that are so much more competitive, many of which are much cheaper to build & maintain.

But, for those with enuff money to spend, there are still a few Pontiac combos that can be competitive, in heads-up runs. And there are quite a few combos that can run under the index without major funding.

The thought just crossed my mind: What would make a good "dime rocket", Pontiac V8 powered SS car, using a 350 or larger engine ?

I've mentioned the Larry Maxwell '68 GT Bird that runs a '74 350 engine. Don't know how cheap it was to build. Don't even know what the min total cost is, that would be considered a "dime rocket" SS car. Just thinkin about it, I can't see that it would cost any more than building a Stocker that would run a half sec under.

Assuming that the correct roller cam, alum intake, converter & rear gears would get a car down to the index, or very near it, without major expense. But hey, I could be wrong.

So, for you Pontiac guys, what are some Pontiac 350 & larger Pontiac V8 combos you'd consider the easiest/cheapest to get at least even with the SS index ?

A few possible 400 engines might be a:

(1) '69 350hp GTO engine, with a 306hp factor in SS & 310hp in GT.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...4&MAKE=Pontiac

(2) '74 225hp with a 290hp factor in SS & GT.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...1&MAKE=Pontiac

(3) '77 180hp with a 285hp factor in SS, 289hp in GT/auto.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...4&MAKE=Pontiac

I suppose the best 350 prospects for SS are:

(1) '74 200hp with a 250hp factor in a SS Ventura, or 256hp in GT/auto.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...8&MAKE=Pontiac

(2) '77 350 with a 246hp factor in a SS Bird, or 250hp in GT/auto.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...3&MAKE=Pontiac

Possible 455 engines might be a:

(1) '70 360hp GTO with a 335hp factor for SS & GT.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...0&MAKE=Pontiac

(2) '73 & '74 250hp with a 310hp factor for SS & GT.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...9&MAKE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...2&MAKE=Pontiac

Not saying these are the ONLY choices. But there are cars out there that run these combos. I purposely left out the round port engines.

For a lower cost engine, I assume the '77 400 might be a little cheaper, because of the price of 6x-8 head cores. A 350 might be a little cheaper, because a good core block is real cheap. Some have been given away. And some have been scrapped, because nobody would buy, or even pick up for free. Most Pontiac street guys just will not settle for a 350 block engine. They gotta have more cubes.

So, with all the other correct parts, how much head work would be required just to run the index, with some of these combos ? From what I've read here, that seems to be the big cost item, to go really quick. So, how much is a Go-Slow, head job, that will make enuff power to just barely run under the index. ?

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I thought this was interesting.

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...65&postcount=1

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...72&postcount=2

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...85&postcount=6

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At the AZ Nats, Brad Burton was #33 on the SS Q-1 list, with his Pontiac powered 3rd gen Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

In SS Q-2, he was #37.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

And, since they were expecting rain Sat, they ran 2 rounds of elims, which Brad survived.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

Yep, looked like Sat was gonna be a washout. But, they were able to get in one more round. Brad also survived that round. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

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At the div 2 race, Jack Good has his '78 Bird. It's the same Bird that Ken Shawver & Monte Howard won class at Indy with. That old Bird has made lots of passes.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

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Panning thru the Nostalgia section & found this nugget.

I suppose everybody here besides me already knew where to find this info.

It's a list of NHRA Nat event results from 1955 thru 2000. Of course, the 1998 & later results are listed on DRC.

But, a quick scan thru some of the years revealed some Pontiac powered wins & RU's I was not aware of, as far as I know.

Now I'm not familiar with every driver name that ran a Pontiac powered car in all those races. So, there could be some Pontiacs on some of these lists I miss. Also, as we all know, LOTS of guys have raced different brands of cars, during their driving career.

So, for some of you guys who were there back when a particular race was run, I need ya'll to point out any Pontiac powered car I might miss, AND any name I list as having been driving a Pontiac, who was actually driving some other brand, at that race.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/resultslist.html

I'll post this on the Pontiac Stock thread, then start going up thru the years & listing all Pontiac wins & RU's I find, listing the SS cars on this thread & the Stock cars on the Stock thread.

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1st Pontiac SS nat event wins I see are in 1975. This list shows that Jack Mullins won the Spring Nats, the Sports Nats, the US Nats, & was RU at the Summer Nats. I've never read of him winning the Spring Nats race, before. So far, I can't verify that win.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1975

Jack won the Sports Nats again in '76, and was RU @ the Spring Nats & World Finals.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1976


May have seen this before & it just didn't register. I'd mentioned the Larry Pacey SS wagon that held a record for 14 years. Well this post says that the wagon won 37 points races, in a row. That's real hard to believe. Can anybody verify this ?

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...&postcount=175

Anyhow, those were 2 bad Pontiac SS wagons ! :)

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In '77, Pontiacs picked up 3 nat event wins. Bob Michael won the Spring Nats. Sonny Ray won the Sports Nats, & John Herslow won the Canadian Grandnational.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1977

In '79, Sonny won the Cajun Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1979

In '80, Phil Szupka got RU @ the Grandnational, & Bob Michael got RU @ the Summer Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1980

In '81, Sonny got RU @ the Gators.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1981

In '82, Bob Michael got RU @ the Spring Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1982

In '83, David Rampy won his 1st nat event, @ the Cajun Nats, in Sonny Ray's '72 GTO. John Angeles was RU @ the Golden Gate Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1983

In '85, Sonny Ray got RU @ the Spring Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1985

Now I got a question for you guys who were racing in '85. At the Northstar Nats, Jerry Stealy is listed as SS RU. I know he had a '69 GTO, then a couple of Pontiac wagons. Does anybody know if he was driving a Pontiac at this Northstar Nats race ?

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Gonna break in here with some info about the Nemisis 2 Pontiac wagon.

I think I've mentioned this already. But, after Jerry Stealy's "Nemisis" '69 GTO was destroyed in a towing accident, Jerry bought a wagon & put the GTO running gear in it.

Because it was a RAIV engine, he couldn't run the wagon in NHRA. So, he ran it in IHRA & AHRA, setting several nat records. That explains the hood scoop, which would not be legal in NHRA SS.

In '78, he sold it to his buddy, Jerry Heiser, who raced it thru '92. One account says that he set a SS/KA NHRA record with the car. But, I've never seen a pic of it without the hood scoop on it.

Newbie from IA.

So, any of you guys see this car race, in NHRA SS, without the hood scoop ? Anybody have any pics, without the scoop ?

http://torqueaddict.com/junkyard-rec...pontiac-wagon/

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In '86, and later, there are some names that were associated with Pontiacs at some point during their racing careers. But, I don't know how many, if any, were driving a Pontiac in any of these races. One or these is Ray Stover, who drove the Kathy's Clown Pontiac GTO.

So, I need help from you guys who were racing back then, in identifying the Pontiacs.

On this '86 list, Ray Stover is listed as SS winner @ the Spring Nats. So, was he driving a Pontiac ? Glen Tinsley was RU @ the Northstar Nats. But I'm pretty sure he was already racing under the Ford factory deal.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1986

In '87, Mike McKinney won SS, @ the Southern Nats, & the Keystone Nats. Assuming he was still driving a '68 Bird.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1987

Just learned that Sonny Ray quit driving his GTO, at some point, probably 1982, and began driving Mopars, for others. This article says that he gave the GTO to his son Chuck, who apparently was not a serious racer.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/?cl...oBGoHpyl7icD7U

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In 1990, Sal Biondo got his 1st nat event win, at the Summer Nats, in Phil Monteith's '76 Bird. All the Biondo guys won races in Phill Monteith Pontiacs. Mick Leiferman won the Keystone Nats, & was RU @ the Mid-South Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1990

The only Mick Leiferman cars I've seen pics of were a '71 & a '73 GTO, both Stockers.

But, this article says Mick was driving a Firebird that ran a 9.51. Don't think any Pontiac powered GT cars were running that quick, in 1990, were they ? Just found where it said he was later running a '92 Bird in SS/AX. So, what are/were the rules for SS/AX ?

https://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/...0fbe42343.html

So, maybe every reference to Mick, in SS, is in a Chevy powered car. Anybody know ?

On the '91 list, the only car I'm pretty sure of is Art Peterson. Assume he was driving his '69 GTO. He got RU @ the Winston Finals race.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1991

In '92, Mike McKinney got RU @ the Mid-South Nats. I assume he continued to drive Pontiac powered SS cars.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1992

In '94, Art Peterson won the Winter Nats. I'm glad to see that. Most everybody seems to think Art & his wife are real nice folks ! And, it doesn't hurt that he drives my favorite Goat, a '69. :) As mentioned, there are names on these lists of guys who drove several different brands of cars. Sal & Peter Biondo are a couple, who drove Pontiacs, sometimes. Peter is shown winning a race in '94. Sal has been winner & RU on several of the lists. I know that Peter began driving the Hatari Bird, at some point, (both the 3rd gen & the 4th gen) & won some championships in it. But, there is no way for me to tell what they were driving, just from lookin at these lists. Any help with that would be appreciated.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1994

Peter & Sal picked up some more wins & RU's in '95 thru '97. Don't know what they were driving. Peter won his first SS championship in '96. I think he was driving the '82 version of the Hatari. Not absolutely sure.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1995

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1996

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1997

Then of course, DRC has '98-up results.

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Somebody just sent me these pics. It's an early '70's Firebird Formula. It's what I call a "small tire" Super Stocker. Also had slapper bars. I suppose you could call it "period correct".

I think the tire rule back then was that the tire could be the biggest tire that would fit into the stock wheel well, without the tire tread being outside the body line, at the top of the wheel opening.

Anyhow, I think this was a cool lookin Bird. :cool:

It was gold colored & apparently either sponsored by Golden United life insurance company, or one of their agents.

So, any of you guys know the history of this car ?

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Thanks for all the Pontiac stuff Old School!
The gold Firebird was my '72 455 HO Formula. I later painted it black and updated it to a '73 455 SD, raced it until 1980 and sold it to Don Kennedy. It was my brother Jerry's Insurance Company. Those were the days!!

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Thanks for that info Bob ! :)