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Don,
You didn't get it... You said [I can beat myself more than they can beat me in most cases lol]
I was trying to say;
That is exactly what they allow you to do. You change your game and make mistakes to beat yourself.
No doubt they make more runs and have more time to hone their skills than a non touring racer. That is one reason I like the IHRA's new Championship series. It takes one of the reasons to be a touring pro out. (another thread there)
It doesn't matter how the systems (rules, too) are changed. The person using or participating in the system long term will usually adapt and use it better/more effectively than a part timer.
I see no way NHRA or any other organization can can adapt rules to "level the field" as you have suggested in your posts.
It's left up to you to level the field on the track.

Go bracket racing and get some seat time and get a run rythm... then learn to adapt to the conditions, even in a run.

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Don,
I may sound like I have you in the crosshairs, but it is just the way I have written the posts. Remember: I know when I'm pointing at you there are more fingers pointing back at me!
I try not to let things get personal or let personal issues become a factor in discussions.
This sport that we all love and spend so much time and resources on needs some creative discussions to stay healthy. Good discussions foster a pattern of thought processes. (ever participated in a Think Tank?)
note: That is why I was in a hurry for you to post and I do understand how you feel.

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Adger < I am glad you agree with my comments

Where did he agree?He said the guys that travel are better at this game than the rest of us.
I guess your self esteem was hurt by being called a whiner.Don,did you ever serve in the military?They build character,by pulling the best out of their recruits by,OMG,calling them names.When I served they did more than that.Not now though.The point is you seem to
get defensive when others don't agree with you.Then you just keep it up till others finally
get to the point of just trying to light your wick.
One poster has agreed with your original idea.I guess all the rest of us are stupid and
clueless.
I heard there is an upcoming NHRA decision on this thread.Stand by.

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Don,

Have you ever watched racing from the finish line from a track where you can see what the drivers are doing? It is my belief that this is where the quality racers accel. Sure, winners cut good lights, but that is the smaller part of the game. The more important part is dialing your car and driving the stripe.

I can show you dozens and dozens of finish-line pictures of Stock and Super Stock races from the stripe, and there are many guys who NEVER look over, or if they do look over, they don't really have the techniques for making races very tight. Then they wonder why they lost? Many guys also hit the brakes after the stripe, or at the stripe, thinking they killed a bunch, and wonder why they broke out. You just can't take a half-car or more these days and expect to win many rounds.

I'm certainly no pro, but there is a lot of really bad driving out there. Reaction time is based on concentration (no matter what type of tree), driving the stripe is first based on haivng a plan (based on your dial and whether you are dialed soft or hard) then applying it based on what your car and your opponent are doing. You have to make split-second decisions and react on the fly. You need keen eyesight, a consistent car and lots of practice. It all must come together to make races tight, whether taking the stripe or dumping.

I understand your desire to win and your displeasure with guys who win a lot. It is understandable, but I feel you are wasting your energy picking apart the system. Personally, when I lose I can point to a mistake I made and I look to improve. I don't have the time to race as much as I used to, but I understand what it takes to win. Seat time certainly helps, but you have to have some talent, too, and the guys who win have TALENT. Why does that bother you so much? If you change the rules the smart racers will adapt and accel and the less skilled racers will be the same. This holds true in any sport and even in the workplace.

Evan

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I will agree with the big name racers taking too long to get to the lanes. Nitro Joe had the right idea. After third call (or whatever the "final call" is), wait five minutes, and put the chain up. After that, too bad, you miss the run, whether you are Joey Bagadonuts or the World Champion. The only way I would waive this is if, IF, a racer had an honest mechanical problem that he/she was trying to repair. This is if one were to want the rule changed, or if NHRA felt stragglers were holding up the show.

As far as the touring Pros winning all the World Championships over the past ten years, this is false. Ricky Decker won last years S/S title, and is a single car racer. So is Larry Stewart, who won the 2003 or '04 title. Both single car, non touring racers. Edmond Richardson won this years Stock title, and only attended the allowable races to claim for points (6 Nat'l/8 Divisional). So did second place Anthony Fetch. Dusty Lowell finished fifth and still had THREE Nat'ls to claim. So there were three non-touring, non Professional Sportsman racers in the top five this year, while many other touring racers were further down the list. There are other non-touring sportsman racers that have won world championships also in the past 10-15 years. I had a list of all the Sportsman World Champs from 1965 to 2008, that I misplaced. If I can find it, I'll look them up for you. You don't have to be a touring, Professional Sportsman racer to win a World Championship, or even to do well. Fact.

I've raced two cars at one event twice before, in 2003. One at a Divisional race, one at a local bracket race the week after. I swore I would never do it again, it was a pain in the *** trying to race two different types of cars in one day. It may help some, and hurt others. The advantage gained by racing two cars helps BEST if the two cars have the same driving style. Take Bill Koski for example. Super Comp dragster: .400 Pro Tree, transbrake, delay box, air shifter. U/S '67 Belvedere: .500 Sportsman Tree, clutch car, manual shift. What he can apply from one car to the other is very minimal. Air conditions, track preperation, wind and other factors will affect one car more than the other, and to what extent is unknown, without a lot of time to figure it out. What slows a S/C car down by a hundreth will likely slow a lower-classed Stocker like that .03 or possibly more. So in cases like these, you can't apply what you learn with one car towards the other. Fact.

Your statement about pro sportsman racers "they are used to doing what they want to take you out of your game plan" is a crock of ****. A REAL racer can (or should) stay in the zone no matter what the circumstances. I'll give you a personal example. My rookie season in Stock, 2002, Dutch Classic at Maple Grove. I'm in the third round, ready to go to the water box. As I was putting my dial in on the first window, the tip of the shoe polish bottle broke and the whole bottle ran down the windshield. As I grabbed a towel to wipe it up and attempt to finger paint a dial-in on the windows and flag down an official to have him relay my dial to the tower in case it was not legible, my opponent is firing up to go the waterbox. I got in, went and made my run, was .012 on the tree and +.01 and won the round. I'm not posting this to make myself look good. I'm saying it to prove a point. Moral of the story is, a lesser racer would have been rattled and made a mistake. A good racer can, and will, continue to focus on the task at hand, the next round. Fact.

As far as your "level playing field" idea, it's a good one. But no matter what you do, in any given sport, the best will rise to the top. Fact. In recent memory in Class Racing, deep staging was banned because "all the good racers are doing it and winning". It was banned, and the good racers are still winning. Fact. A few years ago, it was a good idea to have a Pro Ladder. After a while, it was a bad idea because "the good racers are qualifying at the bottom and "stealing" the bye runs. We can't have this". Pro Ladder or Sportsman Ladder, the great racers still won, and will still win. Fact. We got rid of two-step buttons on the steering wheel because "all the good racers have them and they are winning". Now, buttons must be pedal mounted only, and guess what? The good racers are still winning. Fact.

For the hell of it, I went back and looked through this past seasons' events, and winners. Two car and/or Touring Pro Sportsmen races won 13 of 27 National events (48%) and 15 of 45 Divisional races (33%). In Stock, they won 7 out of 27 Nat'l events (25%) and and 13 out of 45 Divisional races (28%). Now, if these racers had this huge advantage you constantly talk about, shouldn't those numbers be higher? Seriously. You make it sound like it is impossible to beat these types of racers, and they win all the time. Fact is, the numbers don't lie, and certainly do not back up your wild theories. Fact.

Take your car out once in a while, practice, learn what makes it tick, get (or use) a practice tree, you will become a better racer. Without having to change the whole face of Class Racing for everyone to better fit your inadequacies. It worked for me. The second year I raced Billy Nees' stocker (2003), I raced seventeen weekends at NHRA, IHRA and S/SS Combo races. Not counting the Wednesday night and weekend bracket races and test and tune nights. That year and the next, I finished in the Top 10 in IHRA Division 1 points. I made myself better, I think you can too. It just takes a little time and effort.

So, I've shown you in multiple instances where you are wrong. Now, prove me wrong.

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Don , Ol' buddy

A few comments before all this off season blather goes away, then.

I don't think you thought this all the way though, beyond what you think may benefit YOU.
There are a lot of ramifications concerning lower class Stockers , heads up runs, deep staging vs shallow and so on, that would have to be addressed.

This year, I raced the Summit series @ Speedworld. The only active S/SS racer I saw out there at every race, was the one who wins all the time out here. Coincidence?
He's not a Touring Pro either. In fact ,he's at work today.

Now we're going to allow deep staging again? Were you for it in '01?
I'd have to research it, but I don't have an extra 20 bucks.

Adam Strang is the F/ Stock National Record Holder.

Cool looking car you've got there,BTW. You could have gotten in some practice runs with it three weeks ago.....