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Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

By undercover, I assume you mean not for everyone?

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

I doubt NHRA will work backwards at this point, and a doubt owners are going to park these cars. How about a logical step in a positive direction? Points for qualifying. Points for records. Give people motivation to let them rip and you will see the present system work faster.

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Originally Posted by MikeFicacci (Post 359005)

Mike - I agree .........But you can't go back in time - this exactly how it was in the Seventies .But we'll all give you a pass on this one ........you're young ! ! !

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Originally Posted by 69Cobra (Post 358753)

Todd you've got me thinking... Tell me what would be the consequences for the older car in this scenario. Older car can run -1.00 under at legal weight and say its possible older car could remove enough weight to pick up say .30 for example only lets say that older car is entered in D but can get to B weight. So now illegally the older car can run -1.3 under against a new underrated combo. Older car knows that it has a heads up run with this new car in the next round. Now older car make new car run at least 1.3 under as long as older car has is even or better on the tree. Older car goes down and dumps new car to run the as suspected -1.00 under. New car goes 1.3x under and get hp on Tuesday... Older car doesn't get the win light so drives by scales and goes home. Tell me what consequences old car gets in this scenario if any? Old car knew before going to the staging lanes that he was not going to win a green light race. The only down side I see is if the new car red lights and old car has to go to the scales. Now what?

Simple solution. If the new car redlights just drive across the center line. No scale.

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Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 359011)

Simple solution. If the new car redlights just drive across the center line. No scale.

:-)

Re: GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

They should make all class racing, starting 2013, heads up off the current indexes....With the AHFS in affect. This would not take too many races to "correct" some of the HP ratings, and look at the fun it would be.

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I say all the 2008 and newer supercars that do not have a VIN should run in FX.

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Originally Posted by K Stubbs (Post 359020)

That would iron things out faster. LOL
Sounds like fun.
Personally, I would go for that.

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It's amusing. The guys with new cars, who make up around 5-10% of the class, want to force the guys with older cars, who make up most of the rest of the class, to buy a bunch of new high dollar parts, and spend a bunch more money to take weight out, which would require even more new rules.

Why is it that the vast majority, say 90% of the class, should have to make massive and expensive adjustments in order to accommodate the other 10% or less?

The solution is to put the new under factored factory race cars where they always went for the previous 40 years or so. In their own classes, or in Super Stock.

In order to make a 69 Chevrolet 427/425 L-72 even remotely competitive with a new 2012 LSx 427/425, you'd need a new set of heads, a new 1050 cfm carburetor, a new single plane intake to match the heads, and a new roller cam, lifters, and springs. Then you'd need a new set of headers, a new converter, and maybe a new rear gear. So, the guys with old cars should have to buy $15K worth of new parts, and effectively move to what amounts to a Super Stock engine program, in order to again be competitive, because NHRA has allowed the factory race cars in the class knowing full well what would happen?

Jeff, you want to give us 5%? Seriously? That makes my L-72 427/425 rated at 404HP. So in A/SA, I take off 168 pounds, or less than 2 tenths. And that is supposed to make us even remotely competitive with a combination rated exactly the same that has at least 150HP more than we can ever hope to make? That's a complete joke, and you know it. We'd still be 3-5 tenths behind, at best.

By the way, Jeff, I never said that the guys running the Mopar and Ford programs, Dale Aldo and Jesse Kershaw, ever publicly gloated over Chevrolet not having a competitive car for 4 years (2008-2012). What I said was, and you know it to be true, that this board was filled completely with people who were all too happy to sing the praises of NHRA for allowing this absurd situation to come about, specifically because Chevrolet did not have a factory car at the time. They were elated that the bogus factory race cars, that did not belong in Stock, were able to dominate the traditional legitimate Chevrolet combinations.

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I remember when NHRA published a new rule that superseded the old "factory produced in numbers greater than 500" (or something like that) with; "Factory cars of 50 or less subject to NHRA approval" (again, words to that affect).
I remember wondering "why would they do that?" I'm guessing it was around 1992 (anybody know?) because the answer seemed to be that Pontiac wanted LT-1 Firehawks in the game.