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Billy Nees 10-13-2023 08:02 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 687242)
It will come down to you have to computer register and answer a number of questions and the computer will give you your HP / weight. Now lets say you hurt that engine and show up with your backup engine which has different heads, cam etc., just imagine the fun when you get to the track and try and change your entry. :eek:

Stan
Maybe it'll all come down to the "data loggers" in our cars just "talking" to the NHRA computer through our laptops and everything will be just fine. ;-)

Coleydog 10-13-2023 08:54 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
And the whole problem can be eliminated by no more heads up racing from same class when 90% or more of the other runs are a dial your own number inside the index. One can put millions of $$ in a car and it will mean nothing but show off. Talk about bringing the costs down here’s the answer. Rome is burning and most are blind to it.

Billy Nees 10-13-2023 09:00 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coleydog (Post 687245)
And the whole problem can be eliminated by no more heads up racing from same class when 90% or more of the other runs are a dial your own number inside the index. One can put millions of $$ in a car and it will mean nothing but show off. Talk about bringing the costs down here’s the answer. Rome is burning and most are blind to it.
E.T.-2 to the staging lanes!

e vassar 10-13-2023 09:32 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coleydog (Post 687245)
And the whole problem can be eliminated by no more heads up racing from same class when 90% or more of the other runs are a dial your own number inside the index. One can put millions of $$ in a car and it will mean nothing but show off. Talk about bringing the costs down here’s the answer. Rome is burning and most are blind to it.
Unpopular statement..but true..
All the rules, rules changes, AHFS etc come down to one thing in the eliminator. "Do I have enough, have I worked hard enough, have I SPENT enough to survive a heads up run?"
Get rid of heads up runs (except for class eliminations) and watch the cost go down,and the participation go up.
Flame away!...I'm ready

Billy Nees 10-13-2023 10:33 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Yyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhh, nnnnnoooooooooooo.

Barry Polley 10-13-2023 10:36 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by e vassar (Post 687248)
Unpopular statement..but true..
All the rules, rules changes, AHFS etc come down to one thing in the eliminator. "Do I have enough, have I worked hard enough, have I SPENT enough to survive a heads up run?"
Get rid of heads up runs (except for class eliminations) and watch the cost go down,and the participation go up.
Flame away!...I'm ready
In my humble opinion… we don’t have enough heads up racing. For most here it’s still a performance class.,

Put performance back up front.
I have plenty of brackets out here to race at.

Coleydog 10-13-2023 11:49 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Every divisional event and national event IS a bracket race, heads up is nothing more than an ego-bully race. 50 years ago when S/S and Stock WERE the top of the line CLASS it was great but today they’re just filler to the pro classes. I like the idea of class runoffs, get your $$$ trophy then go race to see how good you are dialing in the car and cutting a light. No boxes no electronics just you and your car, even little slow no buck racer has an equal chance to win. Just my opinion.

Rob Petrie E395 10-13-2023 11:54 AM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
I have a bracket car too. You can now win Wally’s and even a state or national championships bracket racing. If that’s what you want to do there is a place for it. Saying no heads up runs is crazy. That’s one of the defining parts of the class.As I said before I’d get my A kicked in a heads up. So no heads up would benefit me. I’m still strongly against it. I’d rather keep trying to get there a little at a time. It doesn’t matter what you’re racing.(stock cars, offshore boats, motorcycles, go carts ect I’ve done all of those) Or what the rules are. Money has an advantage. Changing rules won’t change that. If I was to have a say. I’d say leave the rules alone. All of them. It’s probably too late to go back to rules from years ago. But they could stop changing them. That would save people money.

Terry Cain 10-13-2023 05:27 PM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
I've raced since early 70's. Went to Indy several times when you HAD to win class to run eliminator. BUT ALL CLASS winners went to the barn. Hell, one year there was 26 SS/LA in my class. A lot of good class racing.

Barry Polley 10-13-2023 07:34 PM
Re: Flat tappet lifter failure
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 687241)
Yeah, let's take a look at how THAT turned out. The original intent of that ruling was that certain (yes certain not all) combos could use an "approved aftermarket aluminum head" with a 10 HP penalty. However, after the ruling went through "someone" in the NHRA Ivory Tower decided that they should be considered different combos when it came to the AHFS. Now there are combos where the aftermarket head is factored less than the original head. How'd that happen? No more flat 10 HP penalty, different combo.
I agree the head and improvements far outweigh the HP.


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