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Mopar Steve,
Excellent photo sharing. Correct on the "Behemoth" G/SA car by Bob Burkitt. Whenever a small white square with the letter "T" appears on the front window, thats the NHRA Winternationals at Pomona. Sometimes the articles get the technical info scrambled. Do like the photo of Lee Sprague's 68' 340 Dart. F/S NHRA national record holder. Jason, Wonder if the 68' Hemi Dart was out-of-commision during the end of 69'? PC |
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Paul,
My uncle's Dart was definitely out of commission at the end of '69 due to a blown engine, like I mentioned earlier. But, according to my uncle, that was AFTER Indy, not before. Steve, I'm not saying those pictures AREN'T at Indy, but I personally can't identify them as being at Indy, nor can I positively identify that as my uncle behind the wheel. That said, if you'd like to do a high-resolution scan of that image and send it to me, I can tell you for sure whether it is my uncle driving (though unless there is some signage that definitively identifies the locale as Indy, I won't be able to help out in that department as I never saw Indy personally until about 2000). PM me if you'd rather e-mail me a high resolution scan than post it here. If nothing else, it will be fun to bust on my uncle about his memory failing! :D |
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No sooner do I post that I don't have many pre-Missile pictures of my uncle, and I find this picture of his A/FX Comet:
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/52/652/...3QCBwex_th.jpg I know it's not a Hemi Dart, but I thought it was somewhat related to the thread... |
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Here's one from the same Webshots album, but of the car in question, the Iron Butterfly (with Wally Booth at the helm):
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Pretty good Butterfly thread currently over at Moparts.com
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Jason,
At least we know your uncle was at Indy 68' with the Dart, SS/BA #1229. In the Scat-Pack picture that Mopar Steve posted does show the 'Iron Butterfly' at Indy 69'. But I cannot see any Dick Oldfield lettering on the door panel, and there seems to be minimal decals on the front fender. At the Dallas Finals 69' (2 months later), your uncle's name is lettered on the car, more decals on front fender and NHRA#1341 on the window. Paul |
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Mopar Steve,
Sorry 'bout that. you already posted that 'Butterfly' info. My head is still spinning about that little 68' 340 Dart of Lee Sprague in F/Stock, putting away the 63' Plymouth C/SA Wagon of Tritak & Morgan. I do have a photo of Dick Oldfield in the Dart at Niagara in 1969. The nicer paint job with 'Erie County Dodge Dealers' on the back quarter, chrome slotted mags for the front, Cragars on the rear. PC (Go Hummer II) |
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Jason,
I apologize for not posting that. Currently using a dial-up network. Changing to Charter Communications (cable) in February. Impossible to download photo's. Unless you want me to mail it. * Starting line shot at Niagara. Car with the dark-painted roof and hood-scoop "The Good Guys" on the door, with Dick Oldfield lettered under-neath (lower door panel). 1969 circa Paul |
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Sorry guys, I haven't checked in for a while.
The Iron Butterfly pic that Steve posted would appear by the old DA tower in the background to be Indy. That doesn't mean Dick was driving there or that the picture is from 69 though. I have no listing (in the first 50 cars) that Van Dyke Dodge recieved any Darts - they could have - I just do not have a record of them. There is some dealer paperwork floating around about a Dart though. My opinion after looking at the paperwork - and this is only MY opinion - is that it is not real. I have alot of dealer and factory paperwork on the cars and it looks like a blank sales order was was filled out by someone who had never seen "real" dealer paperwork - just my opinion. Mark J |
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Mark J,
Glad to see your back, and out-of-the-cold. Talked to Charlie L. (Charlie Castaldo crew chief). Charlies first car (SS/B) crashed in 1969, at the first points meet at Englishtown. My best guess would be April 1969, unless a late-March event took place. Earliest info of the SS/BA (Tim Crutchfield car) was at Dover in July 69'. That Van Dyke Dodge info was posted by someone on another thread. It was misinformation, which also stated that Van Dyke was across the street from the Hurst mini-assembly line. NOT. Paul |
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I haven't been able to spend much time here in the past while due to my schedule,but I have some great news. Paul Pittman who painted my car back in 1980 for Lou Vignognia contacted me last week & informed me he has pictures of my car when Lou owned it.Not sure at this point, if the pix are after he painted it or before with it's previous paint scheme. If they are with the prepaint, this will be a huge help in finding the next chapter for my unknown soldier. I will post my findings when I get these pix.
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Daryl and Mark J,
As you know sometimes you have to go through the back door (other car history) to pick up some neat information on the 68' Hemi cars. Try this one, Motion Performance, L.I., NY. A couple of mystery pictures with Bill Mitchell racing against a 68' Dart with his 68' Camaro in A/MP (Which Chrysler did not want any factory-backed cars to do back then). Wonder who the Dart was owned by? East-coast racer.. Paul |
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no daryl no pics , i have one more room to go through, i am missing at least two boxes of pictures , my mom took pictures of all types of race cars at dover,englishtown, island etc. those were the boxes that had the dart pics in them. paul or one of you guys who post on the dover web site, there is a distant cousin of my dads (i think it is joe vignogna) his wife posts all types of pictures on tha site of race cars from dover dragstrip, i have been told she has pics of my dads 64 belvedere , maybe she had odd pics of this dart. |
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Daryl,
Great news - keep me informed on the pics! Paul, I think that I have seen the picture that you were talking about in one of the old east coast mags - looks like the Dart is still in primer - I alwats wondered if that was the car that had Manhattan Speed on it. I think they just show the front fender forward and Mitchell's Camaro? Mark J |
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Mark J.
Good pick-up there. The picture with the Bill Mitchell Camaro and Hemi Dart is from New York National. Noticed that the Dart does not have a front side-light marker. Thought it was Charlie Castaldo's car, but his first car had a side-light marker. I'm guessing that photo must be from 68', later in the year. Mitchell ran his 68' in A/MP. The Dart's hood is painted though. As for the Manhattan Speed Parts car, I'm 90% sure that it was at Englishtown, and did run against Charlie Castaldo. Wonder if that was at the late-March/early-April 69' points meet (crash date). Paul |
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Heard a couple of the tents at the Russo steele auction blew away Thurs. jan 21 in AZ. Only 1 minor injury to someone ...couple of BO29 barracudas (one a S&M car) were scheduled to be sold there plus some impressive street hemis. Hope no serious damage.
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paul or one of you guys who post on the dover web site, there is a distant cousin of my dads (i think it is joe vignogna) his wife posts all types of pictures on tha site of race cars from dover dragstrip, i have been told she has pics of my dads 64 belvedere , maybe she had odd pics of this dart
Jimi What is the official website for Dover? I can't seem to find it. Liteweight Daryl |
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Hemis' at Dover,,,Great to check out..Put together by Dino (The Weirdo),,Track announcer for Dover 65' thru 72'.Home track for Charlie Castaldo, Centolanza Brothers,,Doc Burgess andthe 65' 'Black Arrow".A Haven for Mopar guys from 65' thru 70',,until the Chevy Invassion...Some rare cars visited their. 'Candy Cuda' w/Bob Gaudreau andJohn Macey 'Heads Up'...original 68' Hemi S/S Cuda's.Paul
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Mark J,,
Not sure if I posted this yet, or sent info... On the first Charlie Castaldo car (SS/B). Crashed at E-Town, New Jersey,1969,,at the season opener NHRA Points Meet. Car was stripped of the goodies, and ended up in Hunts Point, Bronx, New York salvage yard,,as per Charlie L.. Paul C.. |
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Jason O,
Got photo's of your Uncle's car (Dick Oldfield) at the 1969 (8/10/69) Super Stock Magazine Nationals at York US 30. With the newer paint job, not the 'Good Guys Hats",,,,Engine must have went bye-bye after that.. RK, I think the Penn Brothers had something to do with the second ownership of the Sox & Martin 68' Cuda, right after the 70' Winternationals..The only information I could come with, is Sox & Martin won the SS/A class at the 70' Winternationals (Feb 70') 10.44 @ 117.03, which means they were applying the brakes going through the traps...Of course, a couple of those 68' S/S Cuda's with the famous paint scheme were floating around.:cool: Paul |
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RK,
Maybe someone else could make heads-or-tails of the cars you asked about. I found (3) Sox & Martin car paint schemes. One with red-base, white hood, blue roof and blue center-stripe. One with red-base, white hood, blue roof and wider blue center-stripe. One with red-base, blue hood, blue roof and white center-stripe. The white center-striped car ran at the 68' NHRA Springnationals, it has the blue-tinted glass with the big round Valvoline decal on the lower portion of the front-fender (behind the wheel well). I believe that is the car that won the SS/B class, but broke during S/S Eliminator. PC |
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Joel,
Not positive on where the Lendrum car ended up. I think it was mentioned that it was in Florida...??? I have photo's, but I am saving them for a copulation of photo's, to be released at a later date. Sorry. I'll send a private message, explaining. General info; Charlie based out of the Albany area of New York..SS/BA,,SS/AA car, then into Pro/Stock with the 69' grille and Super Bee rear spoiler for 71'. Paul |
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Paul, I think the word you were looking for is "compilation." ;) |
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Mopar Steve and Brett,
mi' scusi' I feel like Billy Crystal in 'Analyze This', trying to pronounce 'Conciliare' I think I was trying to say 'compilare'. Of course, if you saw one of my photo's of a Hemi Dart wedged into the back-end of a 70' Camaro,, you would say copulation. Almost looks like the Aerosmith cover of their album 'Pump'. Paul,,,I slipped on the dictionary 'banana peel'. |
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Here's one - what ever happened to Mary Ann Foss' "Go Hummer" Dart?
That one is still unaccounted for. Mark J |
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Mark J,,'il professore di Hemi',
Still working on the Keystones, don't despair. Thanks on the Charlie Lendrum info. What was the deal with that spoiler on the rear deck..Was that 1970-ish?? A Lebanon Valley Dragstrip regular,,based out of Albany-region.. Not too much info or photo's of his SS/BA-SS/AA-Pro/Stock Dart. Albany Dodge, Central Avenue, Albany,,adjacent to Wolf Road. Was at Dover Drag Strip in Dutchess County,,but not a regular. When he came downstate, it was out to Long Island, to New York National or West Hampton/Suffolk County Drag Strip. Paul |
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Paul,
I only have one photo of the Lendrum Dart - must have been 70 - had 69 grill & running P/S (no spoiler at that time). I can't seem to post pics here either Mark |
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Mopar68,
You continue to amaze me with your collection of unbelievable pictures! The Dallas County Dodge Dart,, WOW!!, Never saw that car with such a clear and perfect side photo. The back end of the (2) Darts,,,in front of the left side Dart, appears to be Don Grotheer's Cuda??..ET Record times shoe-polished on the rear windows of the Darts..SS/B: 10.62,,,,,,,,and SS/BA: 10.71, Could that be the 69' NHRA Springnationals at Dallas 6/15/69... .......Mark J,, Got (3) on Charlie Lendrum,,,one with the 69' grille and rear deck spoiler, running Pro/Stock 1971..The hood scoop looks slightly altered..It looks like at York US 30, so I'm guessing the 1971 Super Stock Magazine Nationals, May 71. You know, Albany Dodge is still in business, in Albany, New York. Paul |
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Does anybody know what became of a Hemi Dart that was first owned and run by Kilbane Dodge in Strongsville, Ohio. They only ran it a year and I think they sold it to S&S Auto in Cleveland. I saw this car when it was first delivered at the dealer. It had a Pasley print that ran along both sides of the car when they painted it.
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M68,
You still receive 'mucho kudo's' for finding it, and posting it. Have to do research on the Darts, to see just who the owners are. With those posted ET times on the windows. 10.61 for SS/B was set by Arlon Vanke (I think on 1/69), and the 10.72 for SS/BA by Don Grotheer. The 11.86 on the 'Hugger Orange' COPO Camaro ahead of the right side Dart is for SS/DA (A 427 Camaro, more than a full-second slower than the SS/BA Hemi Dart...HEE! HEE! HEE!) Paul |
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[QUOTE=mopar68;170894]Hi Paul! I wish I could take credit for the pix but I can't; I found them once upon a time, somewhere on the web. Yes, I noticed the Grotheer car...any idea who the two Dodge Darts belong to?
Yep! The one on the left is the Gene Snow Dart driven by Terry Pringle and the one on the right was also from TX - can't think of the name right now but it was owned by a Mexican guy in Corpus Christi. Mark Janaky |
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