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How would you consider IHRA more accommodating than the NHRA?

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Experience

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I was curious as to what experiences specifically?

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How about running Stock since 1972?

That count...?

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You won't see CM car's or Stock GT in NHRA, their cutting back on Stock and SS car's. The rigs are so big now they don't have the room anymore. Besides it's just a filler for the Pro's, It's sad it's come to this. IHRA is more for the sportsman racer, to bad more people don't support it. It will survive probably as Long as the NHRA sportsman series. Young people today can't spend the big money, not unless Dad&Mom help out.

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Regardless of what class or car you run, anyone who missed the IHRA race this past weekend missed good racing at a really nice facility. The track owners there have done a super job at re-furbishing the whole complex. easy off of I-71, has plenty of room for large rigs and even had some shade trees.

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When was the last time you raced with NHRA? I find them more than accommodating to race with. By the way they do have double division races so you can scratch that from your earlier statement.

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I was looking for an actual personal experience, for my own education, but that's obviously not the type of interaction you're looking for. I'm looking for perspective from someone who has been there, done that. I guess I got the wrong guy.

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Dude...you are not looking for perspective.
You are trying to validate your argument that you do not like PS or CM.

I got ears, eyes, read ND, comments on Class Racer about xHRAs.
Especially the future of Stock ranging from informative to bitter.

NMCA and other independent race organizations invite all S/SS classes to compete.
Also know that not all NHRA races are packed filled.
NHRA Canada allows IHRA Stockers to compete to get a few more cars to attend.
Merging NSS, IHRA and NHRA S/SS has been done before with absolutely zero negative impact.

It is my experience that IHRA has always been more racer friendly.
Easier to communicate to get questions answered.
Not as easy with NHRA but you can get through.

I think NHRA is an awesome organization.
They manage their operation and races well.

IHRA is just easier to do everything with.
Number one thing I like is racing...two races in a weekend.
I can find a parking place and love the attention my Pure Stocker gets.

For the future of Stock Eliminator.
It is my experience that NHRA would be wise to adopt IHRA Classes.

One valid argument is there are too many classes.
I would like to see the old A-Z structure reinstated where all the Stock GT, PS, CM, Truck, FWD, FS and Stock fitted into each of them.
Have more class runoffs.

For example my F/PS would fit in Q or R/SA.
CM or GT with more HP would fit well in the upper classes.
It compresses the classes a bit getting a few more heads up races.
Hopefully more competition for National Records.

So it is not like this topic has not been floated at NHRA.
Since I support IHRA I have only done a little advocating at NHRA.
But that may change soon !!

The advantage for future of our sport is to get more people to build Stockers.
Already know several racers would build a PSer or CM car if they can attend both xHRA's.
Just what they prefer..!

I think you are just scared of us !! :D

D

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When I ran IHRA, they kept tech open til 9pm on the first day. More than once, I had taken off work early just to get to an NHRA event, and they shut down tech at 5:00:00. I'd had my tech card stamped in the tech trailer, and as I walked around front, they slammed the window -- couldn't take another 10 seconds of their time. Other times, they turned around a line of cars in tech instead of servicing their customers.

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There is no doubt that IHRA is more user friendly with the racers especially the ones that arrive after work on a Friday night. The gate is usually open and you can go in and park instead of stacking in a road.
Most of us agree that CM and PS are good classes that there are some good racers competing in those classes But I don't see NHRA trying to consolidate stock, PS, CM and GT stock into one class structure. There are way too many differences to be able to make that happen. NHRA wants only the very hardcore guys that can afford the expense of high entry fees and expensive cars to compete at their level. This is painfully obvious by the reduced quota at national events and this has a trickle down effect at the divisionals too. NHRA does not want more cars they want less cars and charge them more to play in their sandbox

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NHRA doesn't need pure stockers or crate motor cars. They have basically phased out the little guy with the budget stocker with their low quotas.

Crate motor classes just prolonged the death of Ihra stock.

IHRA is really the place to race if you fall into the lower budget category. You can show up Friday night and be home Sunday for work on Monday.
You can build a CM car, budget stocker or pure stocker for peanuts compared to a fast NHRA car. Plus they give you a free 3 tenths if your slow. For some reason people just aren't supporting them. Could it be the scheduling on top of nhra races, lack of stock/ss tech or the lack of contingency sponsors? Who knows... IHRA needs all the help they can get attracting cars for all classes and if there's a sportsman program next year I'd be surprised.

3. If you have a Crate motor car or Pure stocker sell sell sell because next year they are just going to be another street or modified car.

Just my 2cents

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No, really I'm not looking for an argument, I like to hear your insight. Although I don't think NHRA needs to or will ever open CM up to participation I do love the classes. I have a great friend that runs CM and if NHRA opened up to it he would never run NHRA anyhow, he just won't run NHRA. And I'm married with kids so I'm afraid of nothing! LOL

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Exactly the input I'm after. I agree 100%, NHRA gives off a vibe of we should feel privileged to be there and IHRA gives the vibe they're privileged to have you as a racer. Thanks Michael.

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Contingency Sponsor;
IHRA needs more Contingency Sponsors.
In fact not expensive to be a Contingency Sponsor.
Especially if you want to sponsor one Class in Stock.

DanSources is not a performance related company but an IT Technical Consulting and Staffing firm.

IHRA is not going anywhere but does need our support to hype up the excitement.

Heck will bet you a $10 dare you cannot beat a Pure Stocker :eek:

If you want to start a fire got to bring wood !!

D

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In the last 5+ years have there been a significant increase in the grade points needed to qualify for a national?

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What are the Features Advantages and Benefits running NHRA?
Pain, long waits, tight parking, nitty (cranky) tech inspectors.
Stock is an after thought..


What are the Features Advantages and Benefits running IHRA?
A lot more fun than NHRA...!
More Class Variety, Friendlier Staff, two races in a weekend.
More relaxing, free Bench Racing, good food.
When you need a help you got it !

Just revving up the commentary again !!

D

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You forgot the part where you get home earlier from an IHRA race because there were 60 cars total. :D:D:D

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. 🤔🤔 well then. Your comparing apples and oranges if we are talking a heads up race. As far as a dialed in bracket race you better be ready to put up more then that $10 lol. Add a few zeroes. P.s. Thanks for your efforts with the contingency postings

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I agree, good man for posting contingencies.

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The Div4 NHRA guys are all very friendly. All call me by name, very friendly group. If your car is right, tech is a snap. I have raced both, I have not seen one more friendly than the other.

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IHRA and NHRA are both great sanctioning bodies to race with. Neither one is without their faults and depending upon what region of the country you live in, one or the other may be best for you. There are alot of other sanctioning bodies and associations trying to attract racers as well. I raced at the NMRA in Maple Grove last year as they had a stock/superstock combo. NMCA looks to be putting on a good show this year too. There are alot of options available to everyone. You pick and choose when and where you can race.

I agree with most on here that if you wanted to race NHRA, then don't build a CM car or a pure stock. Even if NHRA did do those classes, they would still cost alot of money to compete in them. There would not be any $3000 Crate motors, or drive-it-to the-track pure stockers.

One thing I wish is that so many people would quit bashing IHRA. How can they possibly start to thrive or grow if everyone out there is constantly bad mouthing everything they try to do? At the same time, IHRA racers don't need to complain about NHRA.

Come out to a race sometime and see. You can have a good time, meet some good folks, see different cars, and mark another track off your bucket list.

Maybe Mike Dunn needs to bring back the IHRA....and Damn Proud of it slogan.

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Hey $10 is a worthy gentlemens bet!
We are going to race one day anyway. So why not?
Heck at the end of the day I could be $60 richer :)

Hey Sam... bet you $10 you cannot even tell me the name of the President on a $10 bill?

Infact bet you $10 I will beat you when we race...!
Let's start with that..:D

D

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I wish I had a ten dollar bill.

I still couldn't name a President depicted on it.

AA/CMA? That could be quick package..

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First Stocker in the 7's.

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RUN! IT'S A TRAP! Steve Klacik handed me my head the last time I ran him! :p Come to think of it, Ray Darroch absolutely crushed me in the finals at Pittsburgh that year, too. LOL

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Look at what you just said ??? The motor in the car is what was in the car. Well the motor in our cars is what the factory produced to replace the motors in our cars when they wore out, so whats the difference ? Same motor same parts just different casting #'s. :cool:

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Probably one of the most factual posts in this thread! Thanks Chip. Jim

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I have said it before, the current SS/GT is a joke and nothing more than a "crate motor" class.

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WOW....!
It is still a legal SS class and IHRA has one for Stock.
SS and Stock evolved because of racer ingenuity and pressure.

Even Pure Stock has morphed into Stocker Blueprint cam rule.
Stock morphed into SS light with any Valve Spring and Duration rule.
SS you can have ported heads...!

What date do you put a "period" on for what you consider the purity of SS or Stock?


Dan

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The difference between a ss/gt. And a crate motor car is prettying easy
Ssgt is a late car with a early motor.
Crate motor is bogus combo made up by IHRA to draw all you people trying to take the easy way out of class racing.
Look where IHRA friendly attitude of bring a car with some bogus combo
We’ll find a class for you to race.
Ya that worked out real good.
Hope to see some of you race Nhra. Otherwise stick to the crate motor keyboard bash class.

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James,
Tune up your combination and driving and don't concern yourself with the opinion of retired racers. I burned more rubber and love this sport and forum more than you ever will.

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How about Stock / GT that may work with everyone ..

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WTF is wrong with you guys. NHRA has to many classes now with out create motor or STK/GT. If you want to run NHRA get off you ***** and build a class car with the current rules. If not go run bracket 1 or pro ET. IHRA had both of these classes for 20 plus years and there were what 30 of them or so around the county the past two years that went to 2 or more races. Case Closed.

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That was a IHRA class also that had a wopping 2 or 3 cars built for it.

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Put a NHRA legal class engine in your crate motor car and come race if you have enough grade points to make a race. Last I looked people are begging to get into over half the national events.

Now we have people bashing people that actually race.............that makes a lot of sense.

We need no more new classes. We need to consolidate further so the manufacturers will support our sport again.

If everyone wants a fair shot at winning there are bracket races most weekends at local tracks. When I came into this sport over 30 years ago I saw no emphasis on the playing field being fair. I did see a set of rules to play with and people that were willing to play a game to see who had the best stuff.

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I'm not disparaging anyone's decision to running any combination or class they choose, I respect freedom of choice, I just don't care for the rules.

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It's time to get the shovel out and throw a couple of shovelfuls of dirt on IHRA class racing......

It's done and it's gone....

You IHRA guys and gals have more than 1 choice available.....

IHRA Stock and Super Stock racers that fit the NHRA rules structure are welcome to come and race with us. The cars that don't fit the Stock & Super Stock rules structure can still race NHRA, but it would be in SST, SG, SC or TS...

There are many organizations that would be happy to have you race....

NHRA Class Racing is unfortunately is not one of them....

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You are right!
If NHRA does not want my business.
There are other Associations and Tracks that will be happy to take us!

D

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I am sure that they would love for you to race with them. I just don't understand why you feel they should change their rules.