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In transition:

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m..._don_comet.jpg

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...8&d=1384744235

Note: I'm guessing the "Comet" lettering was done in the same garage (and maybe by Dyno himself) as the wheel opening modification in the previous picture.

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Behind the UFO is the rear of Buckeye's altered A990 which was a Sox&Martin raced vehicle, and some place on this site is a picture of it on the trailer behind Ronnies 65 alter wheel base hard top (PAPER TIGER) which Buck also purchased from them

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This one?

http://www.prostockhemi.com/gallery2...serialNumber=2

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Yep, thats it.Iwas there the night Buck purchased the Paper Tiger and the truck. It was at Capital Raceway in Maryland

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A close up

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Do not see a lot of Comets today

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,,cool man

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Dose any one know what happened to this car

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There's a story on here somewhere about it. Discovered (and recovered) and being restored if I remember correctly.

Google pics and post if you will. My home PC is being cantankerous tonight.

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From the Hamb. Dragway 42.

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One more.

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Very clean for the time. "John Bucher" on front fender.

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...9&d=1389755902

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Shirl Greer's A-990 Coronet did not retain its original factory built sheet metal for very long.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...psb4c8c4ac.jpg

This is how it looked by the end of the 1966 racing season.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...psd3035ee1.jpg

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I just threw up a bit!

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Shirl Greer's "TENSION" A/FX car was undoubtedly the ugliest one of the bunch. It is however very interesting to witness the transformation that was taking place with the match race cars during that short period in time.

I kind of like the look of it here somewhere during the '65 season.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...nsionearly.jpg

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WOW There are no words to describe that.
A very quick end to one very cool car.
liteweight

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I can't even imagine how ill handling and unruly the nitromethane injected TENSION altered must have been to drive. This car was sporting a front suspension pirated from a Model A Ford that utilized a single transverse leaf spring.

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...ension02-1.jpg

Shirl Greer - the original Hillbilly on Nitro
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/w...psd467cc4c.jpg

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first with a Cross-Ram Race Hemi then injected.http://www.bettecets.com/4.jpg

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Need help
I and some of the Buckeye team have been looking the past 10 or more years for Sox& Martin's 66 altered wheel base injected Baracuda.
The car was raced by Buckeye and Vernon Rowley, then sold to somebody south of Maryland. Saw one picture of it under the name of HIPPY CUDA, but have no outher info.Hope the body is still alive as we would like to restore. Long shot I know but have to try.

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Hi I don't know about that car but was wondering what you or anyone else might know about the 65 buckeye car like who it was sold to when they were done with it?

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Sorry I do mean the 65 sedan car.

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Pop Whitt ran the car as the Hippy Hemi. There is some talk that the car may have been rebodied as a later model by Pop. Most likely it is gone forever.

The '65 S&M sedan was found in Detroit in poor condition prior to it being restored. It is now owned by Todd Werner and is spectacular!!!

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Any info as to how to contact Pop Whitt or conections if he is not still around, an if you could suggest what part of country he was from.

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http://www.moparmax.com/columns/magn...203/MAX-11.jpg

http://www.moparmax.com/columns/magn...203/MAX-09.jpghttp://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...Barracuda2.jpg

For more of the story:

http://www.moparmax.com/columns/magnante/vii_3-6.html

You're welcome!

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Thanks Charlie I was told that a guy named Mike found that 65 sox's car in a junkyard in Dearborn Mi in 1974 and sold in 1975 to a guy named Rick and Rick sold in 1986 ok so Geoff Stunkurd did a story on the restored sox' and martin car and he said Mike guffy got it from some mystery man who found it in an ally in detroit so which story is the truth:confused:

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nicely done Charlie!!!!

liteweight

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Wish I could do the same for you.
Not for lack of tryin'.

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Same story from the beginning. Scroll a page or two and you will see a small photo of the Paper Tiger 2 in it's pre-restored state of decay.

http://www.moparmax.com/columns/magnante/vii_3-1.html

And here is another account that says there were TWO and the original paper thin body went to the great racetrack in the sky!

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...uth_belvedere/

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The Hardtop:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...-1JIpNd2h9lk8A

The sedan:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...QKMqNaQYAbFhQJ

Both:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...hXJhX__pxJ4UTA

The hardtop had sedan doors. Guess it helped strengthen it.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...4awTrSEgfQ0kWg

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Pop Whitt was/is from the Virginia Beach area. Randy Ryan drove the car for Pop....

Mike Guffey found the '65 AWB car in Detroit. He sold the car to it's current owner who then had it restored with Mike's assistance. I've seen the car before it's restoration and afterwards. It's a great car.

The only folks to ever have their hands on more Mopar AWB cars than Mike Guffey would be Amblewagon..... Mike has been involved with every one that has ever been found and currently owns the Golden Commandos '65 AWB Plymouth along with other significant cars.

The former S&M '65 AWB hardtop was cut up on a used car lot in Maryland. Very few parts of that car remain. The sedan is the real deal...

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Well I live in Michigan and have three eye witness accounts that say different about the sox and martin Sedan ,which was sold to buckeye and Vernon and then went to Detroit And all three people have the same story and two people owned the car and not any one of them sold it to Mr Guffy and the third person had the car sit on her property and she was there when the car was sold in 1985 and this is in Michigan still north of Detorit and she said Mike Guffy was not there her husband says Mike Guffy was not there so it sounds to me that our hero Mr Guffy and his story does not ad up! U see I too am a big fan of these cars and it seems that a lot of stories are made up to make people rich ,heroes or like gods I do not believe that a car could sit in a ally in the city of Detorit for fifteen years until Mike Guffy comes along and saves it and that is the story that is hot rod magazine written by Geoff Stunkurd so who is telling the truth ?

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I have photos of the car sitting in Mike Guffey's shop unrestored. He sold to car to Todd Werner. The photo of the unrestored car in the Hot Rod article was taken in Mike's shop.

So, what are you trying to say? His name is spelled Guffey by the way.

I also know Geoff. He also did an article on Guffey's collection in the 90's for SS&DI in which he talks about Mike owning the car.

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Hey... just a "note" here...Oren "Pop" Whitt passed away some years ago...quite a guy/character ( real stories/legends...are "made" of this...'eh)...raced a number of "Hippie Hemi" cars with us on East Coast Fuel Funny Car Circuit for a bunch of years...Randy Bray drove most/many of "Pop's" cars...real good guy...worked for Ed Miller Performance in Suffolk,Virginia for long time...maybe Randy can be located by a computer "guru" :D:D:D...shed some additional "light" on subject...(s)...:):):) Drake

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What I am saying is the story don't ad up , Mr gufffey may have owned the car but no one found it in an alley in detroit the city would have had it hauled away and when I talked to Mr gufffey on the phone about this he hung up on me, so what wrong with the truth I guess it don't make us as big a hero dose it ,I guess people can't handle the truth!

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What difference does it make where the car was found? Mike found it some place near Detroit, documented it, had it for a long time in unrestored condition then sold it to Todd Werner who funded a great restoration.

As I stated before Mike has been involved with everyone of these existing cars. Mike is honest and doesn't put up with much nonsense, ask anyone who knows him. I'm not shocked that he hung up on you to be honest....

Sounds like you have some sort of an axe to grind with him and I'm not sure why. If you know somebody that had the car before Mike and they want a pat on the back then ok but whoever had it left it get into terrible shape and did nothing with it. At least Mike got it to Todd eventually.

I think calling Mike a hero is a stretch but he does deserve credit for finding these pieces of history and preserving them or getting them to folks that will preserve them.

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Mike Guffey just so happens to be one of my heroes and one of the most upstanding motorsports historians today. I've had communications with Mike for more than 20 years now and can attest that his integrity is immaculate.

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I do agree, Mike is a great guy. I've been to his home several times and spent time with him at the 2008 All Hemi Reunion. He is the authority on these type of cars.

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I think the name in Detroit area was Chris Tadey (sp) on the paper tiger and lets not forget that the two best altwb in my opinion, the Lee Smith Plymouth and the Dick Landy dodge were both bought from Toli Poliwik by Mike. A couple of real authority