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While watching watching Barrett Jackson I was wondering .
What Would a 1969 Camero go for if the car was the Very first A/SA to show a 9 second run on the score boards and did a pan off Tear Down to prove legality complete with pictures (See Four Days in May Video), The very first 1969 Camaro AA/SA class to run in the Nines, the Very First 1969 Camaro to win Class , , the very first 1969 Camaro to set the national record at a 9:71 @ 134.24 mph and tore down to prove legality ?? Any Ideas????? $200,000 ? $300,00??

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Ask Matt Morgan. He and his dad walked away last year with piss-poor results. (BTW, did you see me on TV tonight? Was with that blonde chick :D:Dwho bought the Yellow Ford Phaeton lot#62... Bob Varsha figured it was my wife....NOT!!)

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Don,

These cars have very little value in terms of today's collector. Unless the Camaro has a significant intrinsic value based on it's originality or rarity, I would suspect the number would be far below your estimates. The irrational acceleration in value appreciated by Muscle Cars in general from the time period between the late 90's through 2005 has diminished dramatically. No market can sustain levels of growth of this magnitude for long periods. The housing market is another good example. Speculation drove the perceived values to levels that eliminated the core of the collector market. It's certainly a significant accomplishment, one which any one of us would have been proud to achieve. Unfortunately, I suspect it will not translate into a windfall for it's current owner.

Sincerely
Ed
Windy City Muscle Cars

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For the record. I don't think the car will ever pass through BJ. And the owner has never mentioned such a large amount of money for his car.

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Are you drunk?

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Don, Your turn to have the target on you.... Seriously looking at the price paid for Ray Allens car I believe it was mostly time related. The age of the population of Baby Boomers who had money and remembered the performances of the car. The AA/SA car of today is just worth "todays values" of parts plus for being fast today. It might bring something higher in 10 or 20 years if the population of car lovers still has the fever the baby boomers carry for our drag racing days and cars in general.
I wonder what the alcohol level in the crowd is when they get up the excitement to bid up these cars. Todays economy scares probably has the values more depressed than last year..... These cars are afterall an "investment" excuse for most at those prices. They fluctuate too I think like the markets...

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I saw that - didn't look like you thought she should buy it.

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Bobby's car is not for sale yet until be retires when old age hits like the rest of us
After seeing some of the cars on barrett jackson being sold with some history behind them for a lot of money i was just wondering if Bobby's Car would ever be worth a lot because of it accomplishments, that no other cars have done.

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I know it's hard to believe, but Bobby's car would probably be worth more if it was put back to it's original Z/28 condition...I know, it's a screwy deal, and owning a 427/425hp car myself I've been a DeArmond fan from a distance for a while now. But a lot of the value seems to come from the "nostalgia"...the Briggs car was *the* car in SS/EA back in the day, was a concentrated bullseye for ChryCo, and was in print everywhere you turned...but most of all it started life as an LS6 convertible, which is a mega $$$ car to begin with.

Bobby & his car are certainly deserving, though, no doubt about it. Cool car, great history, just maybe a few decades too late...

Just my $0.02...

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Yes I did, $90k if I remember correctly...and I also watched Craig Jackson work his butt off to get to that number. And it was raced by the Professor of all people, one of the most recognizable names in drag racing...a decent price for that car, IMO.

I mean come one, it's a FIRENZA! LOL!! :D

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What would it cost these days to build a 69 Camaro AA/SA Stocker class car? $30,000 ? A car that could run with DeArmonds ?? $100,000? Any idea

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It's a wacky thing...another "important" car (at least to racers), Grumpy's '74 Vega went for $525k at the '07 B-J. That's pretty big money...HUGE money, when you consider it's a Vega! LOL!!

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Don...there are cars out there that can run with De Armonds car if they were not afraid of getting hit with HP.

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Don, I would bet a first class piece with no extra chrome would be $50 +.Especially if you did it using all the fine print....Probably really dependant on how much you hire done versus can do yourself as well as time to do it....

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SSdiv6 said "Don...there are cars out there that can run with De Armonds car if they were not afraid of getting hit with HP. "

I really have not seen any yet in the last 4 or 5 years . i suspect there might be some illegal cars out there that won't run quicker because they don't want to tear down ,just a thought on The "other" cars who never show up to run .

This thread is my idea by the way dearmond does not post and I have not talked to him since he was torn down at Tucson for the AA/SA national record

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If you start with a true Z/28 car like Bobby did, then you'd be lucky to be into a *decent* car to start your project with for half of that $50k estimate...such is life, it's usually cheaper to buy than to build.

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What does a legal fast and quick Stocker engine cost these days? what will a clean 69 Camaro cost these days? what will a really good trans cost these days? what will the Chassis cost these days? My figures show from around $70,000 to $100,000 to have a very quick and fast car including making sure the car hooks and runs ok down the track> Yet alone a car with the very real History behind the car if anyone can duplicate what DeArmonds car has done , oh wait their is only one time anyone can be the first of like DeArmonds car has done LOL . Ok so I am bored just waiting for the next race.. There may be faster cars and will these cars be willing to pull the pan Like DeArmond did at Mission

The above post is mine and no one elses

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Yup. I told her she was crazy. But hey, not my money. Her name is Elaine Larsen who runs a jet car with her husband Chris. I met them shortly after my dad's death and are really good people. They were there to promote their sponsor btw. She wanted me to check the car out and give my opinion. I said no more than 23k. Although her husband couldn't stay the weekend he did check it out Wednesday and figured 25k. So she asked me to assist in bidding. I told her we needed to hold back & drive the bids in $500 increments, but her emotions took over at $25k. Oh well. It was fun & they are both happy with their new toy. (Bob Varsha's comments could put me in divorce court though!!)

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The ultimate BJ bidder is one of ridiculous amounts of money, no common sense, and enormous amounts of pride that make up for lack of manhood. Trust me, you have to be there to see it. There's no telling what drives desire to pay stupid amounts of money for some of these cars. They don't think like most of us. They possess very little mechanical knowledge and it shows when talking with them. It's all about having the hottest babe, owning the most popular cars, and boasting of all their famous car friends. It's rather amusing in some cases. With the two early Mustangs I've inhereted, I simply went to check out other fastbacks and watch how they do. Or better yet, to see how many fools still exsist in this stagnate economy.

Saturday night ought to be fun to watch. Some really nice GT500s, several Cobra Jets, and some interesting Mopars. Didn't see too many Vettes this year. Yenko seems to be the rage right now.

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You guys keep spending this kind of stupid money on your race cars and racing will eventually die. The younger generations don't want anything to do with this due to these high costs, but if Floyd Red Neck keeps paying 5K for a stocker head using his retirement and credit cards then die it will. Once the old timers paying this type of money are gone who will then poney up for these over priced cars? Do we really need the 400 GPH fuel pumps or Digital Ignitions on are 10-11 second stockers or 9 second SS'ers. Overkill!

Higher operating costs require higher entry fees by track owners and the racers need higher payouts (which isn't going to happen) to offset the cost of their six figure operations. Nobody wants to race their million dollar piece for $500 dollar payouts, so they don't show up. Tracks won't pay higher payouts and will therefore lose weekly entries and will eventually close. This is already happening if you have been paying attention. Heck some of the bigger tracks are only running special races.

It will come to a point where you as the racer will say I can no longer afford it. Diesel prices have already cut car counts.

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All this doom and gloom,the world is coming to an end.I tell everyone if you find something that is cheap and fun,and not illegal I want to buy 2.I have 2 daughter that race junior dragsters(not cheap) and my oldest one wants to race my friends superstocker, he is just not ready to get out yet.Let's get out of this rut and get racing.As for Bobby D,he is a true class act and a man of principle,he will probably retire some day put his car on stands and just keep it as a trophy.Be grateful for health and happiness,good luck to all.

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John Gallina had an arm's length of first's with his 7 second SuperStock '87 GN. What did it sell for at BJ? It was either $28K or $35K, I forgot.

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Jeff,
It sold for a little more than that but your point is well taken. I've heard the guy who introduces the cars on the tube say okay this is a pure classic with none of that racing nonsense in it's history. This remark alone shows the attitude they have about former race cars. Some day these classic buyers will get bored with their "pure" toys with great provenance and begin looking around for a race car or two to add some color to their collections.