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88 mustang LX COUPE not hatch
1986 SVO 4cyl Turbo - stock
t-5 5 speed
4 lug front and rear (can it be swapped to 5 lug?)
8.8 rear end with 4.30 gears and 31 spline axles
fuel cell
cage
still has full interior minus rear seats
no heater or anything like that

ive been told its SS/GT which is a V8 class only, ive been told SS/MS and ive been told by others it would have to be a pro car or comp because the motor only came in a hatchback car...

now my question is if Peter Biondo can run a Cobalt with a 325ci chevy motor (Front wheel drive converted to RWD, backhalfed, etc etc) in SS/BS why cant I run a 4 cyl turbo motor which is STOCK in a mustang, in SS/M?

input?

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Let me repeat myself...have you read the rule book?

The classification sheets only show the SVO for 1984 and 1985. With the exception of the Thunderbird, the classification sheets do not show a turbo 4 cylinder for 1986 in the Mustang body. All standard Super Stock cars, must be the same model/engine combination as shown in the classification sheets. Therefore, you can only run a 1984-1985 SVO in either Stock or the non-modified Super Stock class.

Peter's car is a MODIFIED class Super Stock...in a nut shell...a Super Stock car running a Comp Eliminator engine.

I do not have my rule book with me, however, there was, or still, a class that was formerly in the SS/Modified Compact that allowed the use of a 4 cytlinder engine with Turbo. It was either in 2005 or 2006, that NHRA eliminated the Modified Compact class and moved the cars to Modified Stock.

However, not having the rule book handy, I do not know if they kept the Turbo class or moved it to Comp Eliminator....and if they moved the class to Comp...you better have lots of $$$$ to be able to run in the 7's and 175+ MPH

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i dont get it. So in super stock i can ONLY run a 84-85 SVO mustang, the motor can not be in a 88 notch back?

and why would the 4cyl turbo be in a different class than the V8? it was still a stock option for the mustangs.

so why couldnt i run the car in a modified Super Stock class? its not a honda, or any kinda import, so i dont see why it would be modified compact as it is still a mustang.

I have read the rule book, 2007, but i dont see anything about the turbo cars.

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5 lug axle is easy conversion. You need axles with C-CLip eliminators, so order 5 lug axles. (5 x 4.5) ford bolt pattern. 94 and newer mustangs have 5 lugs, so get a set of rear drums for them if it still has drum brakes.

most racers hace converted to rear disks. order what you want, or re-drill the rotors.
same with the fronts. if you have stock brakes, Ford Racing makes a 5 lug conversion kit, or just order a lightweight aftermarket kit. your 88 has the larger spindles, so either option is viable.

you don't need a backseat. just carpet/finish the area.

gears are totally dependent on the engines capability, tire size, and desired RPM's. As I know nothing about the capabilities of that engine, I couldn't even venture a guess on this topic.

I don't have my 08 IHRA rule bok either, so I am not sure whether a turbo car can still run it SS. They did run SS/DX as you mentioned a couple years ago. If they do, the index is 9.35 for the quarter mile.
It would take a very healthy 140 cu inch car to run that quick let alone run very far under the index.

IMO, this is definately not a class to enter into the world of SS racing.

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its either this, or run ss/gt with a 429 toploader combo. im just confused as why the 4 cyl is rated different than the v8. just because of the turbo?

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[QUOTE=HellraisingRacer;72180]i dont get it. So in super stock i can ONLY run a 84-85 SVO mustang, the motor can not be in a 88 notch back?[/qote]

Correct.

Because it was only available in the 84-85 SVO, not in the 88 notchback!!!

Modified Compact class was merged...the only class you can run your combination in Super Stock is SS/DX class. Minimu weight would be 2100 lbs., the index is 9.35, the record minimum is 8.85. It would take a lot of power and money to go that fast.

Look at the SS/MX class in page 172 of the rule book.

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I hope you have a big wallet...it appears you want to race in SS with a low budget or bracket type car...the class is not for the faint!!!

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You can change the front clip, taillights and dash and run the car as an older coupe that is in the classification guides as a turbo 4. Go to NHRA online and brows through the guides and pick a year.

http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/class...ion/index.html

Mustang used the same body from 79 to 94 so changing years is easy,

Then go to the engine specs to make sure you have the right part numbers.

http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/engine/index.html#ford

GOOD LUCK

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Should be 79 to 93...94 and on, is a body change. However, he still has a problem since the car he currently has is a notchback. SVO's were hatchbacks.

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He can run that engine in SS/DX. It says any engine. He will need a loaded Brinks Truck parked in the driveway to do it though.

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If you take the turbo off (redo the engine). You can run SS/FS with the car.

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...and meet the current record holder... 11.42 is the current record...

http://www.dragracecentral.com/stori...lodrs6_2_4.jpg

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ART how is your new car coming along? your 4 cyl. should be as fast as any off them out there.

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isnt the SS/M? record by Mark Walton at Kearney with a SVO mustang? So its either run it in SS/MX or as a comp car?

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well, what would you recommend? run stock m with a 302 5 speed combo, or superstock 5 speed 302? what about modified SS?

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Mark Walton's car is a pre SVO non- intercooled FI turbo. Available in all Mustang body styles in 1983.

It would make one hell of a good Q/Stocker

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Incidentally, you can't make a 79 into a 93 with just bolt ons. There are differences in the cowl vent area . But you can fake it.
It's not quite a blatant as 68 CJ heads on a 67 model

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Ford offered the turbo in non SVO mustangs, look in the class guides.

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John...if you read all the previous posts, he has been talking about the SVO engine all this time.

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I'm probably wrong but I don't think there is any difference. You just need the right part numbers for the year claimed.

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there are no differences in the block and such, the only difference is its in a SVO vs a non SVO.

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I don't think it can be both an SVO and a coupe. All the SVO's were hatchs. Have you decoded the VIN?

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The SVO was merely a more European (if you will) looking Mustang. They had 5 lug wheels, bigger brakes, different fascia, heavier sway bars, different steering wheel etc. I believe the engine was the same as the earlier turbo 4 cars. The 20th anniversary 84 GT350 I run was available from Ford with the turbo 4.
(mine was originally a CFI 5.0) My car has some of the same chassis componets as an SVO. I put a ball joint on it 2 months ago and asked for a ball joint for an 84 Mustang GT. It would not fit. I went back and asked for an SVO ball joint and wallah, it fit.

SVO's were not coupes, but that doesn't matter if you want to run it in SS/DX. As long as the engine corporate relationship is the same,it makes no difference. You could run a Mercury engine in it if you wanted. Doesn't matter the year or HP. SS/DX is classed by cu inch to weight. You could run that motor in an old Fiesta or a pinto if you wanted as long as the car's weight divided by cu inches was 15.00 or greater.

Hellraising racer, I think you need to go to some races and look through the pits at the way stockers/superstockers are built. They are by no means entry level classes. I wouldn't even call IHRA pure stock an entry level class. You would have easily have a couple thousand dollars in a T-5 transmission by the time you bought a rebuild kit, a shifter, straight cut gears, and good clutch set up.

You may even want to go to a Fun Ford Weekend to look at those various cars as well. Some meets have SVO clubs there meeting there as well.

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I cant run it as a SVO because of the hatch notch problem, BUT i did do some digging and calling, 1979-83 coupes did come with a non intercooled turbo motor that i can run in stock class and super stock, i just have to change my front end and tail lights.

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You can save yourself lots of money by buying Mark's car...you will go fast from the get go and it is turbocharged.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=10722

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I suggest you build an 80 turbo mustang and race it in u-v/s or /sa. Your superstock idea is not a great one. I believe the record holder (in u-v stock) stated that he can run around 2 seconds under the index. Read the rule book a few more times and you'll understand the questions you have a little more.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I am confused as to exactly what you want to build.
You are talking about so many different combinations that they have all run together.

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Hey Chris1529, the SVO Mustang 84-86 has a built in lower ball joint from the factory. I know I've taken one apart and they are not replaceable. Going to have to machine it out and put in a repaceable one from a different vehicle.

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I thought my ball joints were that way too according to the shop manual, but it pressed out.
I had to ask for an SVO ball joint at Advance Auto. It was about 3/16" larger than one for a regular GT.

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FYI, the notchback 80 Mustang won't make V/Stock (A) Our friend would need a hatchback model for V
(specifically, a white one!)

He needs to make his an 83 and run P or Q/Stock. He could convert it to SS later ,if he hadn't spent enough money yet.

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Chris could not make it more clear...the dilema...someone wants to build a car from different pieces he's got laying around and run S or SS class.

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here is exatically what i want to do.

take the 4 cyl turbo motor that is in this 88 lx coupe that i have and make it run stock or ss. If i have to convert it to a 83 front end, that is fine and dandy with me, and just take off the intercooler. i just need to know what class it would fall under with a t-5, 8.8 rear end, cage, and tubular front suspension.

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The tubular front end is not legal in any Stock class. Period. I believe it would only be allowed in the modified classes of SS.

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Before you start working in your car, you need to make sure that the current cylinder head and intake manifold part number on your SVO engine can be used in a 1983 Turbo Mustang application. The same applies to the throttle body and turbo size.

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i shall do that. and the tubular setup can be taken off, i have the stock replacement one.

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i think i have everything figured out. i talked to the local guys here and have talked to some others around aswell. tried to make it to topeka and denver, but couldnt afford it at the time.

takin the tubular front end off, taking the intercooler off, swapping headlights, fenders, hood, bumper, and taillights to match a 1983 coupe and running the 4 cyl turbo NON intercooled 5 speed (140ci T by the classification) with the weight brake being 16.12 which would put me in P.

now tell me if im doing this wrong.

165hp (factored) x 16 + 170 = 2810 is my minimum weight right?

im not trying to be an idiot or anything, just wanna do stuff right the first time.

and SSDiv6, the part numbers are ok on the motor.

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Yes ,you are on the right track,my friend , but the head and intake numbers don't match up to an 85-86 SVO.
The pistons/ shortblock are ok, though.